What is ‘cis privilege’?

I see cis privilege as being oblivious to the benefits of your body matching your gender identity, the privilege of your body being able to do the things you want it to (have children, breastfeed). As a woman I take all these things for granted, and recognise it must be a struggle for people who don't.

But it's not oppressive to men! Neither is it a disadvantage. Men can have children, you know. And many of them do. Including many of them who identify as women.

Men who crave female anatomy are fetishing it. They also fetishise women's infertility by claiming they are the same.

You deciding that that has something to do with the privilege of women is very wrong.

A woman who cannot breastfeed has presumably no cis-privilege either.

SO a barren women Does not have cis priveldge?

I do not have a gender identity so my sex does not match it

I feel for trans women having to hear your appalling pseudo feminist arguments.

You seem to work on the assumption that transwomen are some homogeneous group who all subscribe to the same idea of "transgender" and support self-ID.

Appropriating oppressed groups is wrong. It’s like a white woman saying she was a black woman ‘inside’ and that those born black had privilege over her. It’s so racist, and it happens. I have multiple hormone disorders following childbirth that almost ruined my life. I couldn’t identify out of that and males calling that privilege, are bastards.

Datun said ' It's being oblivious to your status.' Somewhere up thread which I entirely agree with.

I see cis privilege as being oblivious to the benefits of your body matching your gender identity, the privilege of your body being able to do the things you want it to (have children, breastfeed). As a woman I take all these things for granted, and recognise it must be a struggle for people who don't.

It is the ‘appropriating’ part I can’t tolerate. They aren’t trying to harm you or your rights.

I think comparing a trans woman wishing she could bear a child to a toddler wishing she had pretty wings emphasises how trans women are often mocked and dismissed.

I'm not dismissing the toddler so I don't know why you think I would be dismissing the transperson. I usually feel very gentle towards children who are upset because they cannot cope with physical reality.

I cannot envisage a scenario where anyone would mock and dismiss an infertile woman for having exactly the same feelings.

I haven't mocked, I have simply said it is not a reasonable thing to feel is an injustice. And quite naturally, I wouldn't dismiss an infertile woman for having 'the exact same feelings' because she wouldn't be having the exact same feelings, she would be having the feelings of an infertile woman, not a male who wished he had the anatomy of a woman.

But I agree that your mockery is a disgrace 🙄 I’m not the one mocking. You have some serious
issues that no amount of ‘debating’ here will solve. I will never stop defending women against misogyny, in all its forms, including the appropriating of our lives. No.

Pennydrew, nobody said anything about discrimination. But I agree that your mockery is a disgrace.

Nah it’s all true, facts and stuff

I cannot envisage a scenario where anyone would mock and dismiss an infertile woman for having exactly the same feelings

So you are appropriating the medical issues of females and then trying to claim some sort of discrimination because we won’t consider transwomen wanting to give birth as a similar feeling to a woman suffering from actual medical issues. This is some kind of mad hideous appropriating. Yuck.

I used to think like you. But having a trans child changed how I think. I realised it was untrue.

I think comparing a trans woman wishing she could bear a child to a toddler wishing she had pretty wings emphasises how trans women are often mocked and dismissed.

I cannot envisage a scenario where anyone would mock and dismiss an infertile woman for having exactly the same feelings.

Hence cis privilege.

You seem to work on the assumption that men will change their birth certificate to access women’s spaces. well actual experts who work with predatory men have actually said this.

Pseudo feminists 😂 actually what’s scary is that people like you are appropriating women’s lives, forcing women to step aside for males, damaging young children by enforcing gender stereotypes on them and medicalising healthy children, in some cases sterilising them. That shit is batshit crazy and it’s damaging children.

I feel for trans women having to hear your appalling pseudo feminist arguments. They really are living through terrible times. You seem to work on the assumption that men will change their birth certificate to access women’s spaces. Please, you must realise they can access most of those spaces already. I can’t imagine any men would change their birth certificate - only trans women and men would choose to do this. It’s an argument that sounds logical, but it’s actuslly very damaging and quite absurd.

Transwomen are often disadvantaged and discriminated against. But they are not exploited. There aren’t historic cultural, economic, and legal systems set up to insist they provide reproductive, domestic, and sexual labour to men.

And this.

Women aren't going out of their way to disadvantage men, in order to get some kind of gainz.

FloralBunting and Datun both excellent responses 👏🏾

‘Structural advantage’ that really seems to be grasping at straws.

Has structural sexism been dropped from Feminism 101? 

My understanding of 'cis-privilege' includes exactly this definition. The privilege to have the anatomy to grow a child, something many trans women yearn for.

The term privilege in these contexts doesn't mean having something that someone else wants (or fetishes in that case).

It means not being aware of the misfortunes of others, on a class basis, because your view is limited by your personal experience.

Well off woman saying austerity doesn't impact women, for instance.

Or a man saying anyone can hold forth in a meeting, it's not about sex.

It's being oblivious to your status.

You can't identify into or out of it. Otherwise it would be transmen we were having this fallout with and transmen who were all over Twitter, on radio shows, tv panels, etc.

Jezebelz, it's at this point that I am going to say that wanting an anatomy that you do not possess is not an example of structural oppression. Whatever 'your understanding' of the term cis privilege, trans feminine male bodied people are not being oppressed in any way at all by not being able to gestate children. They may be unhappy about it, and I can feel as sorry for them as I do for anyone who struggles to accept the normal run of the world, but no more than I do for the toddler sobbing her heart out because she doesn't have pretty wings.

It's sad that she is sad, but it's not an injustice that needs to be corrected.

Libfems and postmodern feminism don’t address the historic structures that exploit women as a class.