What is ‘cis privilege’?

Scott, that may well be so, yes. Trans identifying women have a raft of difficult things to deal with.

Terry leather, I do not know that and nor do you.

Floral, my point is that surely the person who suffers from gender dysphoria and and difficulties of being a woman has a double whammy of problems.

They suffer from being a man in a female body.

This is not actually possible - you know that, I know it, everyone knows it so they may very well suffer but they don't suffer from that.

Scott, what's your point there?

They suffer from being a man in a female body.

But surely a female with gender dysphoria suffers for being a woman and for having dysphoria?

I'm a cis woman and I know trans women have a harder time. I know because I've spent time with them and know them. It's clear that most of you don't as you would have this narrow minded point of view.

So Rupert Everett and I never were a thing ,‘cause he was already bigoted against women, when I reached my prime? Bastard!

Aah, so all the men who don’t fancy me are bigots.
Monogamous relationships aren’t surely out of the picture though, what with you having to give it up to anyone who wants it, at any time. Good thing us wimmin are good at multi tasking, eh?

Not having people not wanting to date you/marry you because you have the wrong sexual organs?

I assume the double negative is an oversight?

Not having a gay man wanting to date you/marry you because you are female?

Not having people wanting to date you/marry you because you have a facial deformity / life limiting illness / disability?

There is always someone who is going to feel disadvantaged because someone else has got something that they want. The answer to that issue is not to assume their identity and scream 'bigot' at anyone that tries to point out that appropriating someone else's life is not going to solve your problems.

@Petalflowers thank you for explaining, I understand now. I find it a little strange that there needs to be a word to mean "born a woman and also thinks they're a woman," but I suppose times have changed a lot. When I was a kid, a little boy wearing a dress caused outrage and accusations of terrible parenting!

Surely privilege is inherent power from the accident of birth, like being male or white? If we are saying as a society that cis (hate being labelled but will use it here as op has posed the question) women have more power than men transitioning to women, then I don't see that is true. Therefore, I don't think privilege exists in this context.

That does NOT mean it’s easy to be a woman. It’s obviously far easier to be a man (unless you fall into the category above).

What it DOES mean is it's meaningless.

At least crap has categories. Stool chart.

www.suttonccg.nhs.uk/vanguard/Resources/PublishingImages/Pages/default/Bristol%20Stool%20Chart%20-%20A3%20poster.pdf

In view of claims that men not being able to have babies, it seems a good time for this ancient but still pertinent gem:

It IS easier to live in this world as a born woman than it is to live trying to pretend to be one or become one

How do you know this?

But anyone pretending to be something they are not ( mental health aside) will find it difficult. Most conmen love the thrill of that.

‘Cis’ is a term coined that the gender you identify with matches the sex you were born with. Ie. Meghan is a CIs woman because she was born a female and identifies as a woman.

Some people like to consider Cis -women and trans-women all under the general heading ‘women’, while others consider that we don’t need the term, as Woman covers the meaning completely.

Were African Americans privileged over Rachel Dolezal? Are disabled people privileged over transabled ones?

As soon as you take women out of the formula/equation, people go oh my God, no, you're right.

Put women back in and it's all different again. Women? Whatevs.

It IS easier to live in this world as a born woman than it is to live trying to pretend to be one or become one.

That does NOT mean it’s easy to be a woman. It’s obviously far easier to be a man (unless you fall into the category above).

Please forgive my ignorance, I've spent the last few minutes reading up and trying to understand what "cis" means, but am none the wiser. Could someone possibly give me a simple definition?

Haven't read the whole thread yet, but been thinking about this....

I think if it were termed "conformity privilege" I could understand it; gender-non conformity - whether in someone who considers themselves trans, or just a random GNC lesbian woman - would then be included, as would say being a goth or other subculture. I can see that all of these situations are analogous for being viewed negatively for difference.

I would then include anyone who considers themselves trans who also has dysphoria, under lack of MH privilege - along with other MH conditions.

Conversely, I'd include people who are at a disadvantage because of their biology (aka women) under lack of sex privilege. Or not, if they are Male, regardless of how they identify.

Then finally, I'd include people who consider themselves trans who are discriminated against for their perceived sexuality (by the men who feel so threatened by them, for eg) under hetero privilege.

I don't think it's so simple as "cis privilege", for the reasons that have no doubt already been detailed above

And being jealous of the female body is all very well, but it’s not something we can give up. It is not something taken unfairly, or something that we have been allowed but transwomen are denied by society.

^ this is so it