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Another man headed for a woman's prison?

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SymphonyofShadows · 24/10/2018 06:28

Sorry if this has already been posted but I saw this from Herts Police FFS!

They are asking for victims of historic sexual abuse to come forward, yet colluding in the fallacy that this man is female Confused Angry

Another man headed for a woman's prison?
Another man headed for a woman's prison?
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Theswaggyotter · 25/10/2018 11:23

sarah under self id he would be a woman not a transwoman. It’s a horrifying prospect

IAmNotInvisible · 24/10/2018 23:09

Surely if you are appealing for people to come forward if they may have been the victim of a historic crime, it's really important to list the other names that they have used?

Precisely that. When I was 20 I was sexually assaulted by an optician who after an eye test and before I could get out of the (locked) door, pushed me up against the wall and had his hands up my t-shirt and inside my bra. I was totally shocked - when I told my (male) boss what had happened he laughed it off saying "you should be so lucky".

I will never forget that man's name. He also worked as a consultant at one of the top eye hospitals. Would I report the incident if the police were asking for historical abuse victims to come forward - you bet I would. But - if he now self id's as a woman, what chance is there that I would make the connection between some 'female' optician called 'Jane Doe' and the man who assaulted me?

Badstyley · 24/10/2018 22:58

This is abuse. How must his victim feel? It turns my stomach.

Re screen readers: On Facebook using voiceover, which is Apples software, which is the most common, it reads the text, and pictures have a very rough description. So, ’person, nature, outdoor,’ or ’two people, food.’ It doesn’t say man or woman. I suppose that would be transphobic.

OlennasWimple · 24/10/2018 22:44

Surely if you are appealing for people to come forward if they may have been the victim of a historic crime, it's really important to list the other names that they have used? Confused

SPOFS · 24/10/2018 22:29

You see, I feel bad for Herts Police with things like this. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I actually think that they may be crying out for help here. Until people wake up, they have to follow the rules 

ohello · 24/10/2018 22:29

it is as WeWantJustice said in another thread:

I think there's another massive strand that we are missing: this is actually a civil liberties issue. If the state can declare that a man is a woman, without any scientific evidence that a woman can have a penis, then it can say anything. It can say that the Earth is flat, or that it's 6,000 years old, or that there is a god and we all have to worship him. It is actually dangerous to give the state the power to redefine reality.

This is about who gets to define reality. If this bozo gets to tell me that I'm supposed to pretend that his penis is female, then he has all the power, over me, over you, over everybody. But he's just a bozo, not only is he nobody special but he's a loser. And there is no reason at all for anybody to give him that much power.

ohello · 24/10/2018 22:21

I think the reason it's so... I can't even describe... is that it's just more gaslighting where I'm compelled to believe that up is down, rape is love, penis is female, a woman can rape someone with her penis.

No. Reality is actually a thing and I'm entitled to it; instead of pandering once again to the delusions of a rapist, to the point where I'm supposed to believe HIS version instead of my own. just no. WOMEN DON'T HAVE PENISES.

LemonJello · 24/10/2018 21:54

As soon as he raped someone with his penis, he lost any right to call himself a trans woman.

He has the protected characteristic of gender resssignment so therefore is a transwoman. Committing rape does not currently have any bearing on this.

ohello · 24/10/2018 21:43

Yes, it will. One imagines a point in the future, under self-ID, where the majority of rapes will be committed by “women”.

Not sure why because I should have known, but this hit me so hard.

Sarahconnor1 · 24/10/2018 20:18

So he has no GRC, he looks like a man, he has a history of raping and assaulting female children - how the hell is he acting lik a transwoman?!

But under self ID he is a trans women. This is what self ID will mean.

I'm not saying I agree, I'm pointing out the flaws of Self ID.

CriticalCondition · 24/10/2018 20:12

It was suggested upthread that it is unlawful to deadname someone.

I think it is important to be clear that there is no law against deadnaming in and of itself.

There are laws against harassment but that is something different. Deadnaming is not itself unlawful.

LangCleg · 24/10/2018 19:38

Raping someone with your penis is gender. It's gender-based power relations right there.

Any fool who can't see this should be allowed nowhere near prison policy.

thereallochnessmonster · 24/10/2018 19:31

@sarahconnor - So he has no GRC, he looks like a man, he has a history of raping and assaulting female children - how the hell is he acting lik a transwoman?!

Absolutely shows where self-Id fails and can be abused.

Sarahconnor1 · 24/10/2018 19:06

As soon as he raped someone with his penis, he lost any right to call himself a trans woman

Under self ID he absolutely is a trans women. I have no problem with it being report as such, it just shows how far this can be abused.

Having said that these are historical crimes potentially committed under his male identity and my concern is the issue around 'dead naming' might prevent further victims coming forward.

thereallochnessmonster · 24/10/2018 18:35

Why? It’s factual.

I wondered, who the hell would let him be alone with their 7yo dd? Was he a trans woman when he assaulted her?

ProfessoressWoland · 24/10/2018 18:14

Calling him a transwoman, I mean.

ProfessoressWoland · 24/10/2018 18:13

Good point, monster, but it sounds a bit tabloid-y in a police statement.

thereallochnessmonster · 24/10/2018 18:11

That’s a good point. I have no idea, Professor. Just seems common sense to me.

ProfessoressWoland · 24/10/2018 18:09

As soon as he raped someone with his penis, he lost any right to call himself a trans woman.
What does the law say about this?

thereallochnessmonster · 24/10/2018 18:08

Professor - why not just call cooper a trans woman?!

thereallochnessmonster · 24/10/2018 18:07

@needmoresleep - so what if he has been deadnamed? He’s no more a trans woman than I am the pope.

As soon as he raped someone with his penis, he lost any right to call himself a trans woman. IME. And it’s common practice to list previous names or aliases of criminals. The article does go on to call him her.

ProfessoressWoland · 24/10/2018 18:05

Bloody bonkers calling cooper a woman.
I guess it was a choice between calling Cooper a woman, committing a hate crime by 'misgendering' them, or stating that "a person has been sentenced to prison for sexual offences against a child".
What a world.

thereallochnessmonster · 24/10/2018 17:56

Bloody good that the links have been taken down. The police need to think seriously about how to report cr8mes like this. Bloody bonkers calling cooper a woman.

Sarahconnor1 · 24/10/2018 14:50

The HERTS Police link appears to have been taken down

They have deleted both the Facebook and Twitter posts that refer to a women being convicted. Wonder if they repost factually correct information.

ImPreCis · 24/10/2018 14:24

The HERTS Police link appears to have been taken down. I think this is the sort of thing that should be sent to MPs to ask for their thoughts on how this helps the victim, how they can hope for other victims to come forward as name and sex of offender has changed, how will this crime be recorded?