What about the transmen?

Transmen do often pass more successfully than transwomen, but passing all goes out the window when they take their clothes off.
A transman will never have a functioning penis and that is going to matter to pretty much all potential partners.

The transman in this article complains that women ask him about his genitals when they talk on Tinder.
www.independent.ie/life/it-will-be-an-absolute-release-transgender-fair-city-actor-discusses-mastectomy-38379475.html

I have a transman relative in their mid thirties. They is not an assertive person, and lives quietly with their lesbian partner, who of course is no longer a lesbian - she must now be "queer". They appears quite markedly to have autistic traits and looks visibly unwell/frail from the treatment. FB feed all about cats when it's not TRA nonsense.

This might be why many are not in public life. I read this is quite a typical example.

No male will ever give birth. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

ive delivered babies via my birth canal Maefisa, face facts. All we ask is recognition of biological reality. I worked in a neuroscience department. If we wanted rat brains, the animal house put a male rat with a female rat. Bob's your Monkhouse.

Marfisa get real hon!

Transwomen are transwomen, biologically male but mostly (not always) presenting as female. Transmen are transmen, biologically female, but (to my knowledge) always presenting as male. It really isn't difficult marisa and helps us all know which way is up.

Helping you out here Marfisa: women are women, men are men.

Trans men are adult female transsexuals & trans women are adult male transsexuals. Denying biology is delusional.

Go home everyone, marfisa's explained it all!!!!!!

marfisa and the earth is flat and vaccines cause autism. Parroting a line over and over again doesn't make something true.

Transmen are men, transwomen are women.

It's really not complicated unless people insist on complicating it.

Why would FTMs set out to harm other females?

Internalised misogyny? They view women as inferior and being female as an inferior state, so they want to escape that. Since they see women as inferior, and they don't identify with them, or believe themselves to be women, they see no problem with helping to promote an ideology which harms women.

I'm just speculating, as I'm not sure any FtMs have explained this.

I follow Buck Angel on Twitter - he is a porn star and a true transsexual / “truscum” so an interesting one to watch. He gets a LOT of flack on Twitter for rejecting NB and non transitioning trans people as trendy (and dangerous) nonsense. He also cares a lot about medical issues with transitioning. The only thing I really disagree with him on is that he does believe one becomes the opposite sex upon transitioning “fully”.

Anyway, there’s also a LOT of former ftm detrans women. Sadly a growing community.

They only make the news when they get pregnant and have a baby.

Why would FTMs set out to harm other females? It makes no sense to me. What do they gain from it?

I would suggest that further research in Patrick Califia and Raven Kaldera might be of interst to those readers interested in the liminal space where new age / neo-pagan / sex cults and transgender issues merge.

Are these healthy young wombs being used for donation/experimental purposes?

I wonder, because it then becomes an altruistic act.

2B Arnold

Are they wanting to take out the wombs of vulnerable teenage girls now? That really takes away any arguement that they didnt realise these children are being made infertile without the ability to consent.

Heartbreaking

I think there are "Transmen" who are effectively promoting a benign appearing Trans movement, talking to organisations about the need for young people to transition and that the rest of us have to address them "correctly " change our facilities and so on. Despite the beards they don't pass most of the time, but are seen as less threatening and are invited more often to talk about the issues, without mentioning the way that women and girls are systematically oppressed . There are definitely job opportunities in the field.

I have watched soooo many videos where trans men - ie women - have shared their journey. And it's heartbreaking.

Heartbreaking in their dysphoria (which lots of us can relate to), and also in their freakish surgery with mostly bad outcomes.
My heart is ripped 💔

They may have been ‘quiet’ but see the damage ftm people have inflicted on other biological women :

24/10/2018 01:03 jgrobinson

I don't see them kicking up a fuss and demanding anything.

Leslie Feinberg's Transgender Warriors (1996) was a founding manifesto of transgenderism.

Stephen Whittle created the Gender Recognition Act and orchestrated the Women & Equalities Committee's report as special adviser. Whittle also was responsible for the Yogyakarta Principles which among things erase sexual orientation.

Jay Stewart, the prime mover behind Gendered Intelligence, has been extraordinarily effective in putting rapists in women's prisons, indoctrinating the university system, etc.

Any one of them has achieved more than Paris Lees, Munroe Bergdorf, Shon Faye, Lily Madigan et al. put together. Indeed, one might that the latter essentially served as a goady distraction while the transmen worked quietly to revolutionize institution

@GraceTheDisgrace I don't think they are though... I think TW demand that so they don't feel excluded. TM just seem to get on with it

They're quietly living their lives. Only men decide that they aren't happy just living As a TW they must SCREAM IT. They're used to so much privilege (particularly whit middle class TW like David Thomas) that they can't bear to see it be eroded.

TM are used to being second class, they don't realise it's any different

XX trans people end up having to have hysterectomies due to the damage done to their organs by testosterone.

A damaged organ is of no use, so is this a proposal to remove their healthy organs before any damage can be done? Leaving them no possibility of desisting and remaining fertile?

I sometimes wish I had never heeded trans people's demand that I educate myself. The more I learn the more horrified I am.

Uterus transplants - transmen would make good candidates “socially, legally and biologically.”

What does that mean? Why is “socially” relevant to organ donation, isn’t it more a physiological thing?