Why can’t all women see the dangers?

I think many young middle-class women have been sheltered from those sort of experiences. To them, it's inconceivable that these type of people exist.

I think this must be the arrogance of the young, thinking anyone older is out of touch etc.

I think this is definitely part of it, (although there are of course younger women who are able to apply critical thought to this.) I think being an old bird who has worked in safeguarding for years, the red flags are blindingly obvious. But many of the young female transactivists haven't experienced what could happen. No doubt they will, as most women do eventually. I doubt there's many of us older women who have got through life without being sexually harassed or assaulted by males.

Why do people think all these socialist, long standing labour women have suddenly morphed into bigots? Why aren't they thinking about it?
I think this must be the arrogance of the young, thinking anyone older is out of touch etc. I think some of the language around the topic can be really challenging (thinking GG's use of 'mutilation' to describe transexuals etc)
Critical thinking is not used in schools etc now, young people seem to question things far less

They are or have been shadow minister for women. They absolutely must know if and understand the issues, so why don't they share our concern?

Because they want to keep their seats at the next election.

I once met a female MP who said she just goes along with what the PM says to advance her career, even if she didn’t agree. Shame she wasnt my MP, so I couldn’t vote against her.

Slight derail - when I had my DS this year men were allowed on the ward and slept in a chair next to the mother. There was a lot of snoring. I was glad I got to go home the day the woman arrived whose husband kept suggesting she'd have to 'suck him off' because she'd just had a 10lb baby and mocking the other women on the ward. :-(

MP's, and everyone else, have sleep-walked into the situation. This has been a very well orchestrated campaign, with a lot of private backing. It has sailed in under the radar, clothed in the language of gay rights and other liberation movements. Many of the most vocal trans campaigners are gay men, and lesbians, such as Maria Miller - who have adopted trans rights as their new spearhead, now that most of the civil rights that they set out to achieve, have been achieved.

Most people of left/liberal persuasion just see this as an extension of gay rights. They have not thought it through - nor seen its inherent inconsistencies and contradictions.

I think they think that there will be safeguards so it is all a panic over nothing. They stumble a bit when KW is mentioned, but just do a bit of word salad and try to move on.

I think as well we now live in a world of 'do whatever you want to do and don't let anyone judge you'. Having an opinion about anything is bad, people should just be allowed to get on with what they want to.

I also don't think they realise the true extent of what is happening, even those who I would expect to know, saying things such as 'natal children wouldn't be expected to share changing spaces with trans children' - they have obviously never read Brighton's Trans-inclusive policy then.

Thank you for the responses. I haven't had children myself and, consequently, tend to associate more with other childless individuals/couples in person. I'm very surprised that the fathers were demanding bedding, I was more imagining a situation where they'd sleep in a chair (or not be sleeping at all) and hadn't considered the toilet situation either (the general wards I've seen have visitors toilets at the end with clear signs as to which are for patients, staff and visitors).

As far as the left is concerned I think it's an element of 'we are the tolerant, compassionate, cuddly people' and it's the tolerant compassionate thing to do.

Whereas those of us who are not of the left i.e. centre or right are more likely to think 'that's a load of weirdy bollocks' and aren't afraid to say so. Notable exceptions of course - Maria Miller etc. al. Gawd knows what is ringing their bells.

Also if you are not on the left you are probably less likely to worry about being called a T**F or a bigot - because you used to it and can shrug it off.

So many confuse common sense with bigotry.

The only women to whom self ID is a danger are the he vulnerable ones who are not as confident, articulate, knowledgable etc. and sadly they rarely voice political opinions or seek to exert political pressure.

Sounds a lot like victim blaming racecardriver

Any woman or girl could be the last one in a toilet in a quiet railway station or shopping centre. Criminals are often opportunists, albeit ones who maximise their chances of doing what they want and getting away with it. Do you think you won't be assaulted or raped because you are articulate? FFS.

Many women just don't want to open their eyes, or like you think they will magically be OK. Well, we can all think that until sometimes, shit happens to you. Thankfully many of us are able to risk assess on your and other women and girls' behalf, so we will do the hard thinking for you. You're welcome.

I think most people/women see it as the final frontier in the civil rights movement - who doesn't want equality for all?
I think a lot of people believe a lot of the 'truths' (trans teenagers killing themselves at epidemic rates, trans are the Most Vulnerable Of All etc).
I think people don't it as losing rights, just extending them to the Most Vulnerable Of All and who in their right mind would be against?
I've had Stonewall crap all over my social media with people telling me what to think about it all, sick of it.

I can only assume they have not really thought things through; nor are they fully aware of the true nature of the trans- gender 'umbrella'. I wasn't, myself, until a month or so ago......At first it just looks like a human rights issue; one which most people would have sympathy for.

I also suspect that many MP's are pre-occupied with other issues; and also with towing the party line; & their career in politics.

And as others have said, I really do think may people are herd creatures, and will always go with the prevailing culture or wind - no matter where it has blown in from.

I find it impossible to imagine that women such as Dianne Abbott, Yvette Cooper and Jess Philips have really engaged with the full depth of this issue.

Maybe it is because to many if not most women self ID doesn’t actually pose a danger. While I find the idea of men accessing women’s spaces and using them in a manner of that intimidates women unpleasant it isn’t actuaply dangerous to me because I am a grown woman who is educated about sexual assault, has the confidence to articulate her discomfort etc. And men having access to women’s only competitions, promotions etc isn’t a threat to me because I don’t play sports and I don’t believe in sex or gender segregated competition outside of sport (its patronising and counter productive to women in that it masks inequalities). The only women to whom self ID is a danger are the he vulnerable ones who are not as confident, articulate, knowledgable etc. and sadly they rarely voice political opinions or seek to exert political pressure.

I think many of the female politicians on the labour bench who go along with this do know to some extent the dangers. However they are not deep thinkers. They also see it as a price worth paying to get into power and implement their policies as if they don't go along with trans rights they lose momentum support.

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Gronky maternity wards are where women often feel extremely vulnerable and exposed. There is copious bleeding and sometimes stitches and catheters and bedpans. There is leaking milk and sore breasts and screaming newborns and exhausted weeping. I would hate to have random clogging up the place and making the women uncomfortable. I wouldn't dream of inflicting my own dh on others in that way.

I agree.... I am bemused by the number of my friends who all seem to get it when I explain, and relatively easily (though usual surprise media not covering it etc) .. but then ask why I have got so involved?

I'm sitting here thinking wow - you are a woman, usually have a child, how would you NOT get involved? How can anyone NOT see this as the most important issue for women and girls in the western world today?

Perhaps because women are mostly left of the picture and the left, women and men, tend to run in a herd, terrified of what will happen to them if they step outside the group think. Look at the fate of GG.
Its youth is mostly riven with identity politics.
Why do why do you think that practically the only regular support you are receiving is from those on the right?

I think some do know, but have decided it’s acceptable collateral damage. But of course admitting that sounds awful so they lie and pretend there’s no danger.

Others maybe aren’t certain, but take the sticking their heads in the sand route to preserve the illusion.

I agree with maternity words, having a nurse administer an ice pack to my poor nethers in the night was heaven, a few dads in there would have stopped me from asking for help.

Before I retired I was a social worker in child protection ,many people struggle to understand safeguarding issues and hope that magical thinking will make risk disappear.
Its all too difficult.