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Lily M standing as women's officer again

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ScarletBegonias · 23/10/2018 11:17

Gather LM is saying that they had to give up the previous post because they left the area (to go to Goldsmiths) but they're now standing for the women's officer post in Lewisham Deptford CLP. Voting is on Sunday, apparently.

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Latinista · 27/10/2018 18:24

6th formers get asked to go home and change all the time when they turn up with skirts too short/tight or jeans too scruffy, camouflage/army gear etc. Boys and girls. No one needs to “sue” anybody (don’t think we do this in UK anyway?)

FekkoThePenguin · 27/10/2018 16:48

Someone certainly likes the limelight.

GiantKitten · 27/10/2018 16:15

Lily was just one of 1000 pupils at the school?

Thank god for that. Imagine several of them.

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placemats · 27/10/2018 15:10

I've seen female sixth form students wearing a trouser suit. However, the male students are bound by a strict dress code. My belief is it's better to encroach upon the females than it is the males.

Males need to expand the bandwidth of masculinity and that should also include dress codes.

HuckfromScandal · 27/10/2018 14:47

Another thing that has just occurred to me.
LM has bleated-on told us, time and time again, that their parents didn’t support them, chucked them out etc....
And yet the photos in the huff post article in 2016 are the same wallpaper as pics taken in the very recent past. So obviously has been living in the same place? They must get a lot from their PayPal account to keep making that happen? Cynical — moi?

BettyDuMonde · 27/10/2018 14:38

I don’t think it was even school uniform, just the girls dress code for 6th form instead of the boys (usually described as ‘attire suitable for the office’ - which in practice means smart clothes for all, with the only real difference being boys are expected to wear ties and girls have the option of skirts ). LM could’ve looked at having the dress code equalised for all, rather than demanding a special exemption, but that’s trans ‘politics’ in a nutshell, ain’t it?

R0wantrees · 27/10/2018 14:34

Based on a number of interviews that LM gave. It seemed that LM turned up in school uniform which was contrary to the rules of the school and also asserted their 'right' to be called by a new name, preferred pronouns and have access to the female spaces.

This seems a (deliberately?) confrontational way to go about seeking support for 'social transition'.

FloralBunting · 27/10/2018 12:41

A suggestion that a prominent AWA retconned their backstory? Surely that would never happen!

ABitCrapper · 27/10/2018 12:34

It's interesting that's there's a comment in the DM article that claims to be from a parent from LM's school - and the comment basically says that LM was only sent home to change on one particular day as the top LM wore was inappropriate, and contra to the "office wear" code. And nothing to do with it being the girls uniform or not.

R0wantrees · 27/10/2018 10:46

Its clear that many in the transgender community have what will be instant access to international support via social media platforms for the grievances they may feel are due to 'transphobia'.

The nature of the support seems to be primarily litigation guidance and online pressure.

sorenipples · 27/10/2018 10:25

It annoys me how this is portrayed as having "sued her school". It makes it sound like there was a judgement and legal precedent.

I wonder if in reality she complained on a message board that it wasn't fair that she couldn't wear a skirt to school and this attracted the attentions of the TRAs who have used her to push an agenda ever since. Her "trans mum" maybe.

R0wantrees · 27/10/2018 10:06

sorenipples
Yes, its important to have clarity about this.

LM's solicitor's letter was sufficient threat for the school to understandably back down especially if they sought guidance from Stonewall etc.

I've always wondered who / which TRA organisation had assisted with this.

It was portrayed in the press as a lone young person who took on the school in a 'David & Goliath' type battle.

In reality, its the trans-lobby which is the 'Goliath', a secondary school in Kent would not have been in a position to take this on.

examples of how this was reported at the time:
'Transgender Schoolgirl Lily Madigan Hires Solicitor After School Threatened To Suspend Her For Wearing Female Clothes'
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/transgender-schoolgirl-solicitor-suspension_uk_5800a8dae4b0010a7f3e6647

'Transgender pupil Lily Madigan, from Chatham, wins apology from St Simon Stock Catholic School in Maidstone over uniform row'
www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/schools-apology-to-transgender-pupil-104081/

'This Trans Teen Sued Her School for Not Letting Her Wear the Women's Uniform — and Won
"It's been a long time coming, but change has come to our school!"
www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a6493819/trans-teen-lily-madigan-sued-school-over-dress-code-and-bathrooms/

'Transgender pupil, 18, who was born a boy wins the right to wear female clothes to school after hiring a solicitor to challenge teachers who sent her home for turning up in a skirt'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3846466/Transgender-pupil-18-wins-right-wear-girls-clothes-school.html

VickyEadie · 27/10/2018 10:03

I know Lily is a bit lacking in the brain region, but has Lily ever been asked to explain this 'Some transwomen are XX' comment?

FekkoThePenguin · 27/10/2018 09:58

Another one for the book then.

FeminaSum · 27/10/2018 09:53

Aisling Gallagher's comment is shocking. It's the sort of thing I'd expect from an 18-year-old getting involved in student politics and not knowing how to express their views appropriately. Not an elected councillor.

As for Lily, Lily seems to enjoy making absolutely ridiculous comments on Twitter. If Lily isn't an MRA troll, Lily is certainly a gift to them.

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VickyEadie · 27/10/2018 09:53

“I’m running on a platform of socialism and sisterhood and I want to tackle issues that impact most women in our community – whether that’s tackling period poverty in our schools or training our members to effectively challenge the horrid culture of sexual harassment."

Always interesting to see the only things Lily can think of that affect women, isn't it?

sorenipples · 27/10/2018 09:51

That article is the first time I have seen lily's actions against her school described as seeking legal advice rather than suing. Given that the only action taken appears to have been a solicitor's letter, this seems far more accurate.

R0wantrees · 27/10/2018 08:31

Extraodinary piece of 'reporting' here in 'This Is Local London'
'Labour row after transgender woman Lily Madigan stands for women's officer in Deptford'
By Bridie Witton
(extract)
Ms Madigan, 20, is backed by Momentum, a grass roots movement supportive of Jeremy Corbyn.

The Goldsmiths University student is campaigning on a platform of “socialism and sisterhood” but in a Facebook post, Lewisham Momentum described “animosity and factionalism” between party members as a result of Ms Madigan’s standing.

The post describes “unprincipled manoeuvres” of “others on the left.”
"But Ms Madigan said she had a lot of support, “especially from local women, which is lovely, and I wouldn’t be running in the first place if I hadn’t be asked to stand by local members.

"The people commenting don’t care about my age or my local experience; and just because I’m young doesn’t mean I have less to offer politically," she said.

Ms Madigan became the target of online abuse when she became Labour’s first transgender women’s officer aged 19, in Kent.

Commenting on the recent abuse she received, which she said occurred mostly online and appeared to be from accounts linked to the far right and based in America, she added: “If people have a problem with me representing women then they are welcome to not vote for me but I don’t think that’s a genuine opinion among local Labour members.

“I’m running on a platform of socialism and sisterhood and I want to tackle issues that impact most women in our community – whether that’s tackling period poverty in our schools or training our members to effectively challenge the horrid culture of sexual harassment.

“I may be trans but I’m not just here for trans women,” she added.

In a Twitter post, Lewisham Cllr Aisling Gallagher voiced her support of Ms Madigan.

She wrote: “Solidarity and love to Labour sister LilyMadigan99 who is having to deal with a torrent of vile abuse for daring to stand to be Women’s Officer in a Lewisham CLP. Trans women are women, f* trans-exclusionary radical feminists, no room for transphobia in the labour movement.” (continues)

www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/17010132.labour-row-after-transgender-woman-lily-madigan-stands-for-womens-officer-in-deptford/?ref=fbshr

OlennasWimple · 27/10/2018 01:07

Schroedinger's GRC?

RedToothBrush · 27/10/2018 00:36

Its pretty clear that collecting negative responses brings some political capital.
Straight from the trump playbook

JustABrokenDoll · 26/10/2018 23:15

Its pretty clear that collecting negative responses brings some political capital.

Definitely. Lewisham Momentum are going on about Lily being brave and stunning in the face of 'dreadful transphobia' as part of their Vote Lily campaign.

R0wantrees · 26/10/2018 22:50

I think it also serves Lily in some ways when some of the public react badly to what Lily tweets.

Its pretty clear that collecting negative responses brings some political capital.

JustABrokenDoll · 26/10/2018 22:42

Lily does, and yet doesn't, have a GRC.

As RedToothBrush said, Lily changes the narrative depending on what reaction Lily wants from their adoring public.

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ChiaraRimini · 26/10/2018 22:24

I'm not sure there's much read across from the skillset of professional victim to elected politician. You need to have the hide of a rhino to withstand the crap that's thrown at you in standing for public office.

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2018 20:48

Lily has / hasn't got a Grc depending on whichever suit the purpose of the moment. Lily has an aversion to the truth and will make a very good politician.

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