Lily M standing as women's officer again

I don't see anything wrong with a man being a woman's officer

The point of a woman officer is to encourage more women into politics and potentially be a purpose that a woman can approach about a sensitive (potentially embarassing) issue, especially if they don't feel they can raise it in person themselves.

What is the point of a woman's officer if its a man?

Honest question.

If Madigan can't stand the heat Madigan needs to get out of the kitchen.

And that is true for anyone who chooses to be in the public eye.

The point has endlessly been made:

Either someone who has taken up a political role is a vulnerable, possibly unwell youth/child who should therefore be excused and indulged in inappropriate behaviour not usually tolerated at all from people in post, and protected from the general public expressing inevitably negative views about it - in which case that individual should not have been placed in that post and their manager should be accountable - which they weren't.

or they're legally an adult, have made the legal adult choice to stand for that post, and are equal to the same standards and public expression of response as anyone else. And their manager should have managed their behaviour as they would have done any other post holder, which they failed to do.

We have an MP in the HoC only months older. But she's female, so hasn't even been noticed, never mind awarded special consideration.

She was appointed a local Labour women's officer, not some national, influential position

LM sought publicity when she challenged the school.

LM sought publicity when she stood as Woman's Officer.

LM has aquired national (& international) publicity and influence.

I disagree with absolutely everything you've written, Echo. I agree that LM has been used but equally LM is an adult who has behaved atrociously, repeatedly. Being surrounded by yes-people hasn't helped LM one jot. So I'm not about to be another one.

I think you missed the bit of the saga where a campaign of harassment against Anne Ruzylo meant she had to resign. Lily was part of that and wrote letters of complaints against AR to get her ousted. That was just prior to becoming WO in a different CLP.

I don't think that put Madigan in a great light. Neither did forcing Madigan's school to let boys into the girls' toilets and changing rooms.

TBH, the whole attitude to Madigan is one of the unattractive sides of gender critical views (to which I am generally sympathetic).

She was appointed a local Labour women's officer, not some national, influential position. I don't see anything wrong with a man being a woman's officer, especially at a local level, and I don't see anything wrong with it being a trans woman

Did she respond with dignity, wisdom and equanimity to everything thrown at her? No - she's 19 FFS and being attacked on all sides!

'What did she do for women? she just went on about trans issues!' - well, seeing as everyone went on at her for being trans, we don't know what she'd have been like if she'd been left to it.

I'm not saying she's a saint or a marvellous person or a good role model, but she's a young human being and it wasn't fair to make someone so young and inexperienced, who just went in to help on a local level, where she might have gained some understanding of women's issues, a national figure for sneering and abuse, and it's rather tainted the whole argument unfortunately.

I wasn't going to say anything but you were being cheeky so...

Where is your working out

18 is 22% of 83.

Did you not add 65 + 18 to get the total 83 figure for 100%?

I hope we can all "lay off" this person now.

I hope Madigan stops making an arse of h**self now.

I really don't think Lily is going to be fading away. I think the whole 'Savile's apprentice' thing may have had a grain of truth, in that Lily may have been identified as useful by some older AGP/M/TRAs, rather than the story of going on Google and just happening to chance upon lawyers who would work pro bono to get Lily wearing skirts to school and get into the girls toilets and changing rooms. Lily is now going to be part of that lovely community who produced such charmers as Tara Flick Wood and the wokesters who visit homeless women to lecture them about pronouns.

To be honest I think Lily Madigan looks quite unwell, and I would hope for their own wellbeing that someone encourages them to take some time out of the public eye. Sadly I doubt this will happen because whoever is the real power behind all this seems to be happy to exploit the desperate hunger for fame/notoriety/power which seems so common among young people in this 'movement'.

God it's so sad. Just writing that, I think yes of course young people are so hungry for acceptance and belonging, hungry increasingly for fame, and here's this TRA surge which offers them just that - it plays into the really natural confusions and longings that we all have when we're a certain age, but takes it off on some wild, aggressive, mob-rule rampage. It's like a sort of football hooliganism, so 'us against them', tribal, but dressed up in rainbows and 'equality'. So bloody sad.

Having been looking on twitter the 18 voted for Sarah (decrim sex work) for officer against Gill. For the GC posts Lily got 29 (I think ) votes. Not that far off her rivals. I wonder if she could find evidence of 10 "transphobes" having been allowed to vote she would demand a rerun.

Gill apparently supports that transwomen are women. Of course she does, otherwise Lily would oust her.

But yes, unless Lily does anything to put herself in the public eye she should be allowed to fade into obscurity and focus on her studies like any other student.

Where is your working out LikeDust?

27.6% voted for LM to prove I'm not thick...

Well sure, keeping a closer eye maybe, but I can't help being optimistic they'll just fade away now.

It was approx 22.5% voting for Lily.

Haaa I'm really shit at maths!

Ignore all the above.

I hope we can all "lay off" this person now.

Perhaps getting more closely drawn into Natacha Kennedy's fold means we should be keeping a closer eye?

It was 18 out of 65.

Funnily enough 18 out of 65 people is 11.7% - 88.3% which is quite consistent.

(88% agree to keep Posie's billboard up, about 85% disagree with self-ID according to Pink News, 88% seem to disagree with
TRA dogma in most polls)...

18 out of how many?

Yes but 18 people saw fit to vote for lil. I mean - 18??

I cannot help but feel completely and utterly releived that LM is no longer holding an official position in the Labour Party. They are mentally and emotionally unstable.

Obviously the role they have at Goldsmiths as women's LP representative is irritating but not nearly as influential.

I hope we can all "lay off" this person now. They seemed to be a focus of many threads on Mumsnet, but hopefully now their incoherent Twitter rantings can just be ignored.

Anyone else sensing the start of a backlash among the grassroots Labour members?

Sophie Cook comes third out of 3 in an all women shortlist for East Worthing and Shoreham after Momentum tried to bully the CLP.

Lily Madigan fails in their latest Women's Officer ego trip, despite being backed by Momentum.

Heather Peto not elected to the National Executive Committee (though of course Peto is not backed by Momentum so that was always going to be an uphill struggle).

The ordinary Labour members seem to value hard work and a track record over ideology when they make their selections. And they are not right keen on being bullied by Labour HQ.

Who would have thought it?