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Lily M standing as women's officer again

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ScarletBegonias · 23/10/2018 11:17

Gather LM is saying that they had to give up the previous post because they left the area (to go to Goldsmiths) but they're now standing for the women's officer post in Lewisham Deptford CLP. Voting is on Sunday, apparently.

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NotANotMan · 23/10/2018 14:17

Lily displayed Lily's lack of intellectual rigour by quoting the figures for the US prison population presumably gleaned from a cursory google search without any critical faculties being engaged.

Oldstyle · 23/10/2018 13:02

That message from working class women makes me want to weep Pencils. Moderately worded but so revealing. The local LP (in a middle-class area) has similarly been taken over by one-issue activists. I have many friends who are feminists, socialists and LP members. They are at a complete loss. They have tried to fight from within but the hostility shown to anyone who speaks out of turn has silenced and sidelined most of them (and they are certainly not shrinking violets). It's hard to know how to respond, other than running for the hills.

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:48

In their tweet lily claimes it's now 80,000.

I think Lily acknowledged that the statistics were from the USA.

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:47

see also Jeni Harvey's experience at Goldsmith's bookfair:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269765-Radical-Feminism-Banned-From-Radical-Bookfair

described in her WPUK speech:

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/10/2018 12:44

From gov.uk The number of sexual assaults reported in prison saw a notable increase between 2012 and 2014, from 113 incidents in 2012, to 170 incidents in 2013, and 228 in 2014.

In their tweet lily claimes it's now 80,000.

The prison service has a massive problem to deal with, or lily is making up stats to minimise the sexual attacks on women by a transwoman while housed in a female prison.

HilltopTractor · 23/10/2018 12:44

If you hated women, the poor and left-wing politics...

PencilsInSpace · 23/10/2018 12:40

Text saved from a deleted twitter thread, 14 March 2018:

Statement from Working class community workers from Deptford. We are attending the women’s meeting at the House of Commons today. We would like to offer an explanation as to why this is necessary. See below

After many years of working at grass roots within our community we have recently been made aware of an issue that directly effects the working class and women in our area.

You must understand we are not graduate activists or or women’s rights campaigners. We are community workers and our concerns regarding changes to the GRA come from a lifetime of personal experience and having worked with some of the most marginalise people in our area.

The majority of our recent projects have been working with rough sleepers, the homeless and those that have been excluded from society. The issues they face include: unsupported/ mental health illness, sexual violence and prostitution, childhood trauma and abuse...

domestic violence, poverty, ex care system issues, addiction, prison,rehab,homelessness and austerity.

The people in our community that we represent are the most likely to access/ be placed in sex segregated services.Some have and will access all of these services.

Our local political and community organisations have been infiltrated by a group of well meaning white middle class goldsmith (uni) students. These people although well intentioned have rail roaded many vital projects by introducing identity policies and intersectional thinking. They do this without truly understanding or experiencing working class issues.

Meetings we have attended for the purpose of discussing community housing projects and women’s wellness etc have been used as a platform to re educate working class people on the new academic language expected within our organisations.

As anyone from a working class back ground will tell you, these theories and ideologies rarely translate into working class communities.

The extremely small number of transsexual (I use the old term as this has a very different meaning to the university umbrella term currently thrown about) members of the community are and have always been excepted and protected by community organisations.

We are now informed that transgender people are being routinely abused (mis gendered) and should be protected above all other marginalised groups. All that has changed is privileged students have adopted a set of gender identities that allow them to be considered marginalised.

The people we encountered were far from marginalised. In fact they were highly educated, openly classist and aggressive.

This new politics doesn’t equate in our community or for the people we support. We are dealing with working class issues with severely marginalised people and the trans lobby is a gentrification of working class social and political movements. Note the difference between trans lobby and trans people who we support.

No one will discuss our concerns regarding self id. Our local Labour Party has refused to comment or debate with the working class people.

We are attending the meeting this evening as this is only place that is willing to discuss theses issues.

When we are being verbally abused and called fascists because we are concerned about the effects of policy change on marginalised people it is a direct attack on working class women and grass roots organisations.

when sharing information about this event and attempt to shut it down be aware that you are complicit in the silencing of not only women but working class people who have not afforded the privileged of a safe space or university education. Thank you x

Meghan Murphy interviews the author here. Also includes further background on Madigan and on Jennifer James' all women shortlists campaign.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 12:36

Oops wrong thread

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 12:36

How much work is the word 'today' doing?

UpstartCrow · 23/10/2018 12:35

I forgot to add /s to my comment Blush

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 12:35

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
1922 Chairman Sir Graham Brady has told friends "he has no plans to go to No10 today" and is going about his normal business. Stand down folks (for now at least).

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:34

Yes, I think it needs to be shared far & wide!

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/10/2018 12:33

Love that comment by Glosswitch.

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:25

Expresses mild surprise at the accusation of 'right wing' for everyone who didnt vote for LM

Glosswitch recent comment:

Lily M standing as women's officer again
RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 12:24

"Marginalised groups of women will always get it worst."

It goes downhill from there.

Did everyone see this one from Liberty the other day BTW?

Liberty @ LibertyHq
"If feminism is fundamentally about inclusivity, equality and empowerment then the fight for trans equality should be a feminist issue."

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:23

Anne Ruzylo speech November 2017 includes description of her treatment by the CLP, Labour Party, Lily Madigan and allies with important insight into prisons and the vulnerability of women held there.

Anne Ruzylo described the risks which were realised this year by the sexual assaults committed by Karen White against female prisoners in New Hall Wakefield.

cf Lily Madigan's response when details began to emerge of White's crimes against women in screen shot.

Lily M standing as women's officer again
UpstartCrow · 23/10/2018 12:22

Expresses mild surprise at the accusation of 'right wing' for everyone who didnt vote for LM.

HilltopTractor · 23/10/2018 12:18

That was a handy way to FB block two extreme TRAs.

I found the man who caused a CLP exec to resign and Cllr Clit.

ShotsFired · 23/10/2018 12:12

Christ on a bike, these snippets were the BEST of all the takes?
It's a car crash crossed with a fantasy utopia.

www.facebook.com/iamlils/videos/1767338140060634/

BiologyMatters · 23/10/2018 12:09

Is that the first pro women thing Lily has ever said?

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 23/10/2018 12:07

We are calling for all women party members in Lewisham Deptford CLP to come out to their Women’s Forum at 1400 on Sunday 28th at New Cross Learning to vote for Lily and give her the fair chance at election that was denied her in her local branch on Tuesday.

Fat fucking chance. Fuck off, Labour.

sorenipples · 23/10/2018 12:07

Momentum scare me, there seems something very wrong with their outrage that labour branch members decided to think for themselves and exercise democracy.

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:06

from current thread 'We’re Still Here Conference 8th September: A report from the inside' OP TheHarpySings wrote:

(extract)
"6) GETTING THE GRA WE WANT

This was a workshop with 3 experts sitting with groups and talking through activism. They were:

Helen Belcher (Lib Dems, Trans Media Watch)
James Morton (Scottish Transgender Alliance)
Alex Moore (GenderJam). Moore is from N Ireland.

James Morton gave some insight into tactics the TRAs will probably start using in England and Wales as they were successful in Scotland.

He said the TRAs need to build allies in mainstream women and children’s organisations so it looks like they care about them." (continues)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

picture from FB post above

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 12:04

People might want to reflect on this for various reasons.

It's not who will win an election, but its about the level of enthusiasm and support for Corbyn there is.

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pennydrew · 23/10/2018 12:01

Oh darn, I don’t have a Facebook account!

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