Lily M standing as women's officer again

I was kicked out of The Labour Party Forum FB group because I wouldn't say TWAW. I didn't even say they were men I just said they were TW and were not the same as women who have specific needs due to our biology
A TW told me they were both a woman and a TW and so could speak for both groups. I said I wouldn't be happy for them to represent me as a bio woman and that was the end of me

Good use of personal data.

Exactly, pretty sure that isn't legal. I am a Labour Party member but have never shared my FB with them, wonder if Compliance would have emailed me?

all transwomen are women but not all women are trans. Therefore a transwoman can speak of the female experience, but a ciswoman cannot speak on the trans experience.

So by the logic of that load of bollocks, a transwoman cannot speak on the 'cis' woman experience either, since they aren't 'cis' women. And 'cis' women (I hate and despise that word, but yes, in this it is used to mean the actual, female, women ones) are what.... 99.9% of the 'woman' population? So transwomen have no business taking women's posts where they cannot speak on behalf of women. So separate trans posts and women's posts. Agreed. Lovely. Glad we straightened that out.

But to admit it would be to admit that they were wrong - which is something they will never do. Besides, they don't want to upset the bairns.

I can't believe the comments Madigan has made on Twitter. Surely this brings the party into disrepute?

They are idiots. It was clear from those comments people have had enough of the bullshit.

Well an entire nation has been hoodwinked or gaslighted (depending your opinion) so I guess that's an achievement.

They also got themselves a girlfriend which is pretty amazing really. Shame it didn't happen a few years ago.

Smart little surrealist.

I don't feel pity for Lily. Lily is owed nothing but contempt.

"Brilliant young activist".

In what way? What has "Lily" actually done that's "brilliant"? All I ever see is Lily whining about how intimidated Lily felt at various events and feeling very proud that they still managed to bravely triumph.

As an aside I do wish Lily would wash their hair more often. I honestly feel a bit sick when I see photos of them with constant greasy bedraggled locks.

And it will - I'm old enough to realist that 99% of the time it does.

I used to feel pity. But then - wrf? At that age no one has the excuse for the folly or stupidity of youth.

Someone with no empathy or self awareness and the common sense of a carpet slipper deserves no pity, and yes, I for one will say 'HAHA serves you bloody well right - you can't say you weren't warned!' when comeuppance arrives.

I've gone beyond anger, dismay, shock at the antics to now feeling only pity.

How bad is that? Pity.

They are not fit for office. They do not have the balls for the job nor the strength of character/nerve for debate. You want an office who you text would put up a fight for you - Lily?

Nah. Whine about themselves being darowkrse worse off than you or run away shouting 'no fair! Stop harassing me! I'm sick, leave me alone, it was my brother...'

Oh boy. That FB thread. Apparently transwomen make better women's officers because they understand being trans and a woman. Whereas c I s women only understand one of those!!!!!

The period poverty concern was advised at the 'We're still here' meeting, to pretend they're interested in women's rights occasionally. Period poverty was given as a specific example as given in R0wantrees link up thread.

Has it occurred to anyone in the Labour Party that LM's unpopularity has nothing to do with their trans status and is simply due to their personality?

Pictures of the comments were taken at around midday.

Who fucking cares anyway?

These people KNOW that their actions mean Labour wont get elected.

No they are worse. Women - working women - were the spine of the labour movement for so many years. Now look how they are treated.

It's not a party for 'workers' it's a bunch of twatty little over priveledged boys and student politics that never grew up.

The Labour Party are as much of a disgrace as the Tories and the LibDems.

The thing is not to stand against a trans woman in the Constituency elections.

Madigan could easily be the LGBT representative. Madigan has taken that post away from a woman with children, maybe unemployed, maybe a single mum, with a wealth of experience.

Writing slogans on your hand was something you did in school. Not university.

Grow up Madigan

Oh, and there's a comment from disgusting vile misogynist [name removed] there, one of the most foul vile creatures you could hope to come across.

He's saying 'terfs get a life'.

In a previous life he posted such comments as 'I got skanked by a whore' about his encounter with a prostitute and other similar vile misogynist content on the Brighton supporters forums.

People like him hate women with a burning passion, but no it's the 'terfs' that the Bromentum shitheads delete.

Left wing momentum woke bros who HATE all women short lists, especially within the CLPs and especially the role of women's officer because it means they don't get to go to the Labour Party Conference every year.

The Facebook comments are very interesting with the vast majority of them against this.

And this is why we won't get a Labour government next time round in spite of the Tories being an absolute disaster. The average voter won't entertain this kind of hokum.

This comment:

"I dispute that the person who has written this is sincere about factionalism on the left. Smears like this are reminiscent of the smears activists on the left have to deal with from the right when we are accused of being anti-semitic. Brockley are not sectarian or terfs as has been insinuated elsewhere.

Brockley branch was recommended 5 delegates by a Momentum phone bank a few days before our AGM last Wednesday including Lily. We immediately planned to include all of them on our slate.

We then checked out those members on members.net and most of them were not resident in Brockley we reported this back to Momentum who chased that up and at the last minute these members changed their address after we had already drawn up our slate. Nevertheless we still intended to include the extra 5 delegates on our slate. One of the Momentum candidates then pulled out. Although we hadn’t met any of the delegates we sent out a doodle poll in order that left members in Brockley could democratically decide to include the extra delegates. We also had a meeting. At that meeting we were made aware of a complaint made to Labour HQ involving 2 members (nothing to with Lily). In light of this information our members decided not to include the new names (our poll was for or against all 5, we couldn’t include just one, ie Lily) until we had met them. Brockley are very proud to have Lily as a member and will support her in her political activity. I would suggest she be allowed to speak for herself and not be used as a way to score points.

After our AGM Brockley members spoke to 3 of the five candidates Momentum recommended (including Lily) and there was no ill feeling, we all regret not including the new names but don’t apologise for the reasoning behind our decision.

Bill Jeffries. No one on the Brockley left voted against Sophia Mangera. She got more votes than some of our most prominent and oldest left members, I won’t mention names here. She is actually tied with 3 other left members and one from the right. Of those 5, 3 will go through as delegates at our run-off AGM on Wednesday. Racism played no part in Sophia not being elected just as transphobia didn’t play a part in Lily not being on our slate."

So they voted for far-left nutters but they weren't the right far-left nutters (who didn't even live in the constituency (all Goldsmiths' students?)) so they got accused of being evil TERF racist Nazi scumbags.

But they still got told they are evil racist Nazi terfs, because anytime you don't elect a transperson it's because you are an evil terf, even if there are other reasons:

"Faiza Mahmood Interesting interpretation of events. Transphobia and anti-semitism are real, and decrying any criticism from the left as ‘smears’ doesn’t change the facts or excuse your part in it."

Absolute shower of unelectable shit

Some belting comments from that FB thread:
‘all transwomen are women but not all women are trans. Therefore a transwoman can speak of the female experience, but a ciswoman cannot speak on the trans experience.’
So basically women are defunct and second best to any trans woman who will bring more knowledge of what it means to be a woman to any position. Glad they’ve made that clear! Honestly, is there no one else in Lewisham who wants to be a Woman’s Officer - are there no other candidates?

Ah Lily. The gift that keeps on giving.

ShotsFired - thank you! I would, gladly, but it would be a terrible bundle of images and I think there's a limit to uploads? Am just trying to work out how to add files.