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Lily M standing as women's officer again

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ScarletBegonias · 23/10/2018 11:17

Gather LM is saying that they had to give up the previous post because they left the area (to go to Goldsmiths) but they're now standing for the women's officer post in Lewisham Deptford CLP. Voting is on Sunday, apparently.

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SirVixofVixHall · 01/11/2018 13:12

Dillydally - I think fickle and shallow cover it...

dillydallyXX · 01/11/2018 11:04

Madigan is a very odd character though. I can't think of the proper word for it - but they seem to just attach themselves to something, and then move on to the next.

First, it was "fighting" the school, then the Bexhill campaign, then the bike ride that never was, then trying to volunteer in a women's refuge that - thankfully - never happened, then the period poverty with the scribbled felt-tip on their hand, then Lewisham, etc.

They come across as flaky and very narcissistic. What I found most telling is when they said they were going to "reclaim my Women's Officer post" in Lewisham. It shows such entitlement - they couldn't care less about Lewisham or the women there - it's just to get something, to feel validated. And as soon as they lost they move on to the next thing: in this case, the Gay Times nomination.

But what can you say about someone who was born male, has male genitalia, says they can get pregnant, talks about being a mother one day, then talks about a womb transplant as though it's the easiest thing in the world. All the while saying that their main, overriding aim in life is to be the UK's first transgender MP and ultimately the UK's first transgender Prime Minister! Shock

Bonions · 01/11/2018 10:29

Speaking of which, I think Sarah is using a blocklist as I'm blocked by her but have never interacted with her and also very rarely do anything other than read on twitter.

Needmoresleep · 01/11/2018 10:17

Does Lily have a STEM qualification?

But Aimee is a whizz at the old computer. A better option?

BettyDuMonde · 01/11/2018 10:17

They obviously don’t know any ‘terfs’ then, nor have they seen any photos of ‘terfs’ or watched any ‘terf’ speakers on YouTube.

How you could describe Anne Ruzylo or Linda Bellos as ‘gender conforming’ or the ‘patriarchy in a pussy hat’ is beyond me.

FekkoThePenguin · 01/11/2018 10:14

Loon

R0wantrees · 01/11/2018 10:01
Hmm
Bonions · 01/11/2018 09:58

Sarah Dorman, the woman who was elected vice chair for lewisham and deptford labour women’s forum, has retweeted some interesting tweets:

Eleanor Penny
‏***@eleanorkpenny*
Maybe the word 'TERF' gives anti-trans advocates too much credit.
They say that only gender-conforming people have the right to safety. That people deserve violence for stepping out of line. It's not feminism, and it's not radical. It's patriarchy in a pussy hat.

Eleanor Penny
‏***@eleanorkpenny*
My sources have revealed the Very Sensible Programme for Gender Revolution

  1. Stop butch lesbians or tall femmes using public toilets
  2. Actively call for trans women to be killed
  3. Doxx, shame and harass gender non-conforming people
  4. ????
  5. Goodbye patriarchy

Eleanor Penny
‏***@eleanorkpenny*
Turns out biology IS destiny after all, never mind lads

BettyDuMonde · 01/11/2018 09:32

Does Lily have a STEM qualification?

No.

adulthumanandtired · 01/11/2018 09:16

Girls who code is not just for girls, is the message. Because there is nothing just for girls any more.

adulthumanandtired · 01/11/2018 09:15

“Girls Who Code welcomes into our community and programs anyone who identifies as female regardless of assignment at birth. Our programs also welcome people who identify as non-binary or gender nonconforming and want to be in a female-identified environment.”

adulthumanandtired · 01/11/2018 09:03

Does Lily have a STEM qualification?

WomanOfTime · 31/10/2018 22:01

Has anyone else seen this?

So many interesting and accomplished women who could have been chosen to be part of Girls Who Code's 'Sisterhood' project in place of Madigan.

BitOfFun · 30/10/2018 21:58

It explains an awful lot about our ruling class.

RedToothBrush · 30/10/2018 20:54

Aspire do you know that PPE at Oxford is simply the study and art of Bullshit. I'm not even joking. That's literally what it teaches.

BettyDuMonde · 30/10/2018 20:53

There is a nice little gift book version of that essay. I bought it for my husband a couple of years ago.

Considering Whittle is a law professor, Whittle makes very few comments on the legal situation, current or proposed.

Instead, Whittle specialises in emotive anecdotes.

I presume this is due to Whittle not wanting to make Whittle’s actual opinion public knowledge, rather than Whittle not holding an opinion.

AspieAndProud · 30/10/2018 20:47

The technical term for what Whittke is doing is ‘bullshit’. There’s even an academic paper on it:

On Bullshit (2005), by philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt, is an essay that presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the context of communication. Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care if what they say is true or false, but rather only cares whether their listener is persuaded.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit

Ereshkigal · 30/10/2018 20:38

It's not about right or wrong or truth or lies - it's about winning whatever the cost.

This.

LikeDust · 30/10/2018 20:37

This desire to 'win' is an incredibly dangerous dynamic. How far will people go?

I recall Stephen Whittle saying words to the effect of everything being about ensuring certainty of winning, in the thread about 'where are all the transmen?'- it chilled me to the fucking bone. It's not about right or wrong or truth or lies - it's about winning whatever the cost.

Whittle has certainly been 'thought leader' in all this.

SirVixofVixHall · 30/10/2018 20:26

RedToothBrush . Yes. Scary, very scary.

SirVixofVixHall · 30/10/2018 20:25

ToetoToe Grin

RedToothBrush · 30/10/2018 20:24

The point is not to tell the truth. Merely to win the current argument by any means. Its very common in online communities to see people do this ime.

If you frame much of current politics into not telling the truth, but just winning the argument it makes a lot more sense.

The truth is not seen as important; indeed its an inconvience. It throws up problems that need to be dealt with afterall.

This desire to 'win' is an incredibly dangerous dynamic. How far will people go?

AspieAndProud · 29/10/2018 19:40

It's the changing stories that intrigue me the most - almost as if there's only a passing relationship with reality, facts and truth...

Reminds me of the Joker in The Dark Knight constantly changing his backstory and how he’d come by his scars.

ToeToToe · 29/10/2018 19:38

In the words of the Psychiatrist, about Basil Fawlty: There's enough material there for an entire conference. Wink

FekkoThePenguin · 29/10/2018 19:35

Very Donald Trump. It only works for a time when people stop being polite and saying 'yes dear...'

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