TG day of remembrance

This is William Lound as a child with his sister Virginia, who committed suicide following the murder. He was not a transman.

"As an old lesbian who has worked the gay switchboard for many years , anyone objecting to this day perhaps would like to contact William Lounds mother ,to explain why they think her son shouldn't be remembered ?

as a mother myself I find it very strange that mothers or women are objecting to mothers who have lost their children to murder

Williams Murder didn't receive the press attention nationally and hjs Transman status wasn't reported at the time , he was just a 30 year old student at University
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Where did you get THAT from?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsliverpool/inquest-hears-of-missed-opportunities-which-could-have-prevented-tick-tock-murder/ar-AAuP1qp

"Mr Lound was gay and would occasionally wear women’s clothing "

He was a gay man murdered by a paranoid schizophrenic. It is not becoming to trans the dead.

I can't believe that some people on here can't see the difference between a discussion about a 'transgender day of remembrance' (which in itself most people don't seem to have a problem with) and a discussion about how other people's tragedies are co-opted by certain TRAs to further their agenda.

Verbeena, Earlywalker, do you think its right that the likes of Munroe Bergdorf go around telling everyone that statistically they only have 4 years to live?

NopeNi

You've got more patience than I do engaging with them pennydrew!

Not always!

*Bespin

hi mumsnet I am sure some of you feel thst you have valid reasons for thinking that we don't need a day of remembrance.*

Again, this day is specifically framed as a day to remember homicide victims. It’s not just simply a day of rememberance for anyone trans who has died. The issues with framing it the way it has been, have been discussed at length. If you want to respond you should respond to what we are actually saying.

None of you have said anything about Munroe and their comments highlighted here. Anything to say?

You've got more patience than I do engaging with them pennydrew!

IKeepFlouncing - I haven't called you any name. Unlike what you do to me. I'm not a TRA

Verbeena, are you saying calling you a ‘trans rights activist’ is an insult? Calling you a ‘nane’? So you’re not a trans rights activist? That’s a shameful thing to be? What about this description offends you exactly? It’s how you’re behaving

*VerbeenaBeeks

@EarlyWalker it's ridiculous,isn't' it? The name calling, the accusations, if you dare to think differently*

🙄 pot... kettle... we are mighty sick of your endless insults and accusations too

The William Lounds murder was described as a homophobic attack in the link so not sure of the relevance.

As said repeatedly, this day is supposedly specifically about transphobic homicide.

foxyliz26

Nobody is refusing or has the authority to refuse them anything. It’s a discussion

Woman
noun
Adult human female

The Traits assiociated with adult human females are

gentleness, empathy, sensitivity, caring, compassion, tolerance, nurturance,

Some posters appear to be saying , their brand of Feminism doesnt include any of the women grieving , who,s children have been Murdered purely for being Transsexual ?

I find it hard to understand , how upsetting Mothers who,s children have been murdered ,and refusing them a day of remberance for their children is part of supposed Respectful Debate ?

as a feminists of 55 years , this was never part of our core beliefs

Ereshkiga

"We're just sick of being told about a non existent trans murder epidemic.",

It really doesn't sound like that !

show some respect , for this poor lads mother , not only was her son murdered but his sister was found dead shortly after

As I have said I have no issue with that.

Even if it is in another country, you're admitting it happens in other countries. Why shouldn't people remember trans friends and loved ones taken from them by murder? I can have empathy/donate/ remember etc those in other countries too.

Do transwomen get a pass too? ALL transpeople should be able to have a remembrance Day.

They are the GNC males I was speaking of 🙄 as I think you know.

@foxylix26 as a mum myself it's baffling to me too.

IN THIS COUNTRY

It happens in Brazil but now it's a non existent epidemic. Make your mind up.

So you're ok to find it horrifying if its a gender non conforming man as any killers don't usually see them as women, and as a "lesser man" so not really a man either.
Do transwomen get a pass too? ALL transpeople should be able to have a remembrance Day.

No one is objecting to the day. The remembrance is great. We're just sick of being told about a non existent trans murder epidemic.

As an old lesbian who has worked the gay switchboard for many years , anyone objecting to this day perhaps would like to contact William Lounds mother ,to explain why they think her son shouldn't be remembered ?

as a mother myself I find it very strange that mothers or women are objecting to mothers who have lost their children to murder

Williams Murder didn't receive the press attention nationally and hjs Transman status wasn't reported at the time , he was just a 30 year old student at University

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/william-lound-killer-apologises-salford-11599018

13 women are killed in Brazil every single day. That's only the ones they know died. Plenty just disappear off the face of the earth.

Not saying don't have one, saying it's being misrepresented in a scaremongering way, either to or by many of the participants, to make it seem like they're in danger. For example by confusing murders of transgender people and transphobic murders, or quoting statistics without examining the confounding variables.

It's perfectly possible to feel compassion for the individuals involved - and many of the stories are truly tragic - whilst also questioning the murder stats juggernaut

Agree. I've read plenty of those stories. I went and looked them up in Spanish or Portuguese (both of which I speak). They are tragic and horrifying. The killers in many cases are clearly targeting GNC males. They do not see them as women, but something on the same level, which is a lesser man. A gay man, a man who acts like a woman. But they know he isn't.

But why does Random English Local Authority feel compelled to light a candle to remember the Brazilian sex workers who were murdered, in part due to their sex worker status? That's one aspect that many of us on here are puzzled (or infuriated) by: that in a very short space the narrative that there is no group more vulnerable than the trans population has gained such traction, when it just isn't true in the UK

It's perfectly possible to feel compassion for the individuals involved - and many of the stories are truly tragic - whilst also questioning the murder stats juggernaut