TG day of remembrance

Well said, @EarlyWalker. People dying IS emotive, it's an emotive subject. Telling them it's controlling behaviour to mention it - just .. wow.
It's about a day of remembrance - to remember. The whole POINT of the thread.

Do you think trans people should never talk about people who have been killed or kill them selves as not to ‘offend and control people?’

No I don't think that at all.

I think that trans people should never co-opt the tragedies of others and appropriate them for themselves in order to peddle a false narrative.

A trans day of rememberance Is An emotive and personal day, what do you expect? Do you think trans people should never talk about people who have been killed or kill them selves as not to ‘offend and control people?’ Should we say the same for black people becuase they have rights now hey? How many people are killed in the UK for just being black anyway?

Imagine the scenario, a day of rememberance for say sex workers, a group of men piling on to say ‘this is ridiculous they’re trying to control us to keep sex work illegal, barely anyone dies in the UK. This is all just propaganda’ how privilidged does that look?

I am not a TRA by any stretch, but when it stops being about woman’s rights, it just becomes hate.

And the more you post Bespin, the more you demonstrate how one side of this are into personal, emotive, controlling behaviour, and the other talk about facts. It's very eye-opening to me too.

the point is that the list is not everyone that as died another reason the list started was that a lot of trans people were simply being reported and there original gender in media or the relatives were not recognising the persons gender. this still happens and so the list maybe does not record everything or some things are different but at least it allows someone to be remembered for who they were not how the world wishes to see them.

recognise the people who have died simply for being trans,

The point is that the vast majority didn't die 'simply for being trans'.

and arguing that it does not happen here so why do it. is like saying why did we do a thing for Paris it didn't happen here, how short sighted do you need to be not to show empathy for others that are not in this country

@bespin yes, I'm with you there, just because people have said that it doesn't really happen in the UK doesn't mean that's a reason not to bother with it at all.
Wherever it's happening, it shouldn't be.

I want to keep highlighting this thread because every reply trying to justify why your reasons are valid shows one more reason why you really don't care about anyone else. please keep going, please keep telling us why you feel you are justified in your views around this.

I keep coming back to this thread because this is my line the limit of what I can except in all this, the living can defend themselves but our dead are not something that need to be debated on here or how we choose to recognise them we were the first trans day of remembrance was so small no one even know it happened and we just simply read names and thanked God that we were not in those positions and prayed for the ones we lost. if you really have a problem with that or others supporting us in doing that, then you have no valid concern other than to stop a group of people remembering the people that we lost. and arguing that it does not happen here so why do it. is like saying why did we do a thing for Paris it didn't happen here, how short sighted do you need to be not to show empathy for others that are not in this country

Women are supposed to knit? Damn, I'm womanning wrong again then.

*answered not answer

Betty Thanks for sharing link

Jilly wana swap knitting patterns whilst wait for your questions to be answers, could probably learn to knit family of Xmas jumpers whilst we wait, ‘tis what us women’ do init 🤦🏼‍♀️

I keep coming back to this thread and feeling utterly baffled by the conclusions being drawn by those who disagree.

Disagree freely - it's a public board; but don't project, cherry pick and use hyperbole as your means of criticism.

Words are here on the thread for all to see. I agree that they are. I would question though, whether we are all reading the same thing! This is a useful illustration of the issues around the ability to debate the GRA consultation - where any questions, criticisms or hesitation is immediately labelled as bigotry and discrimination, and only blind and unswerving acceptance of the groupthink is acceptable.

Anyway, Germaine Bunbury is calling. Go well.

"failures as feminists"

OK then.

This isn't about 'no one group can have it unless all groups can have it', or petty resentfulness, or prejudice. It's about the ability of some women to recognise that this is part of the strategy to frame the transgender community as exceptional victims worthy of especial sympathy, which includes the (false) suicide statistics and constant referencing of suicide risk, and is about the general public being sufficiently convinced of the extreme vulnerability and pathos of this group not to resist the changes in law to surrender women and children's rights.

dailycaller.com/2018/05/12/linguistic-minefield-of-politically-correct-tranny/

Written by a transgender person

Transgender activist Mirha-Soleil Ross criticizes TDoR for conflating the motivation behind the murders of transgender women sex workers. In an interview with scholar Viviane Namaste, she presents examples of transgender sex workers who were murdered in Toronto for being sex workers and accuses the organizers of TDoR of using these women who died for being sex workers as martyrs of the transgender community.

The manipulation of the Trans lobby around everything is in plain sight.

Otherwise, yup, isn't it amazing what a 'rights' group driven mostly by able bodied, straight, white, affluent men have been able to achieve in about five years, compared to what women, the black community, the disabled community, the muslim community (just to name a few) have been able to achieve in the past century?

Why ever could that be?

*violance against WOMEN

I don’t understand what I’ve twisted? Or is it just easier for you to say that so you don’t have to defend it.

I don’t understand these comparisons between woman’s days and trans days, they are two separate things. I hear the phrase ‘not my circus not my monkeys’ said regularly on here. If you think there should be more events for woman - guess who needs to be organising them? Yep, you guys, the feminists of the world. But you’re too busy hating on trans people to remember ordinary woman these days unless you’re fighting for their toilet. Please remind me, how many woman have been murdered in the UK as a direct result of a trans person being in their toilet? And how many woman have been murdered due to domestic abuse, yet why was i the only one on this thread to point out the day of remembrance of violance against men, yet there’s 313 posts on this thread about the transgender day.

Don’t blame trans people for your failures as feminists. There are many many issues around Self ID, I will never deny that, but using a day of trans remembrance as bait to say their manipulating you, that’s a new low.

Highly emotive personal distress pushed forward as a reason people should pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It's exactly how this whole movement works.

It's been perfectly obvious throughout this thread that the points being made in no way validate the narrative being pushed here, there's no point reiterating them. What I will point out, is that Jean Hackett, in her rides for murdered women - no national days, no fuss, no politicians virtue signalling by overt recognition never extended to any other group, just on a quiet personal mission - has not met with compassion, respect or support from the trans community. There's been no sympathy at all for that group of victims. She's been extensively harassed, bullied and insulted for refusing to shift her focus from murdered women to murdered transwomen on command. The respect demanded is absolutely not two way.

Oh stop with the hyperbole. The issues have been made clear and our words represent what we think, not your weird twists and misrepresentations. Nobody is denying anyone anything

Early Walker hasn't weird twisted at all, the above post was exactly what has been said on the thread. Not twisted.
Nobody is denying anyone anything? Even though people on the thread have said that transgender assaults don't happen (then when queried admitted but they do happen abroad so why should be celebrating it in the uk.)
It's all there on the thread for anyone to see.
What's that if not denying them the right to have a remembrance day? Saying it doesn't happen and then why do they need one anyway kind of is.

died simply for being trans

But did they die for being trans? Or did they die because they were put into the path of violent buyers, or because they were under the control of abusive "partners".

So-called 'sex work' is highly dangerous.

26 women died at the hands of their buyers and partners between 2010 and 2017 in the UK. (Home Office stats)
Between 1990 and 2006 the toll was:
Women: 105
Men: 2
Trans:2
(Saunders and Platt, 2017)

I can't believe that some people on here can't see the difference between a discussion about a 'transgender day of remembrance' (which in itself most people don't seem to have a problem with) and a discussion about how other people's tragedies are co-opted by certain TRAs to further their agenda.