TG day of remembrance

Having 1 day out 365 to just take 2 minutes to remember people that have been killed, doesn’t mean you can’t have another day for another group of people that are killed

Exactly, it's not a "we don't have a day and neither do gay people so don't you be having one" scenario - I'd have no problem with anyone having a remembrance day.

A transgender woman was brutally murdered in the UK in March this year (2018). That it had very limited coverage in the national press, may have meant that people aren’t aware of it? www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/25/man-murdered-naomi-hersi-three-day-sex-and-drugs-old-bailey-told

I also think that Transgender Day of Remembrance is also to remember those who have died through suicide. Of those, there are definitely many more.

Why are you asking weird unrelated questions that aren’t based in reality? No other group has done this

They're perfectly valid questions and comments, not unrelated to what the thread is about at all.

I'm of the opinion even a relatively low number is too many murders

Of course it is.

Someone said
Depends. If gay people launched a day of remembrance where there were very few victims, and those who had died were victims of other awful circumstances,

I said where would your line be until it was an acceptable amount of people hurt/attacked/murdered before it was deemed not very few victims? When would be acceptable before they were deemed acceptable to have a remembrance day?
So wasn't just out of the blue and weird unrelated question.

I want to know how many trans people have died from their medications, complications of surgery or suicide.
I want to know when they are remembered.
Those people would seem more relavent in this country, but they don't seem to be mentioned or remembered.
Im interested as to why that is.
I have my suspicions.

Yes, a lot of trans women that are murdered are sex workers, ask yourself why they’re sex workers for a start? Could prejudice against trans people be preventing them from getting regular jobs? And yes, they were killed specifically because they were trans.

And for those saying I’m trying to shame people for their comments, absolutely I am. Making statements like what done have are disgusting. Having 1 day out 365 to just take 2 minutes to remember people that have been killed, doesn’t mean you can’t have another day for another group of people that are killed. The comments seem to suggest that there shouldn’t be a day of remembrance, which to me implies you’re saying we’re not important enough. We’re people, we bloody deserve it like any other targeted group deserves it. We have rememberence Sunday for the soldiers that died fighting a way 100 years ago for god’s sake. We commemorate world aids day, 9/11 - I’m not American, don’t live anywhere near the place, I still feel sad for the people who died, those that were injured and their families, because I’m human and it’s called a little bit of decency. If you don’t understand why I might be annoyed at some of the comments now then there’s nothing more I can say to convince you.

VerbeenaBeeks

Their deaths should be remembered for what they were: targeted attacks against sex workers. Why aren’t we having that conversation? You obviously aren’t actually interested in why they died. Just here yet again, to tell Mumsnetters what horrible shameful nasty women we are 🙄

Naome Hersi’s death is tragic and sad. From what I understand, it was not a transphobic attack.

They were transgender women killed, were they not? Why shouldn't transwomen have a day to remember themselves? They're entitled to that.

I'm of the opinion even a relatively low number is too many murders

Of course it is.

Why are you asking weird unrelated questions that aren’t based in reality? No other group has done this. The reason for the murders is being left out of the day of rememberance. That’s wrong.

VickyJGo - there you go then, thanks for that link. So it isn't something that never happens as someone stated so matter of factly upthread. It clearly does.

VerbeenaBeeks

Why do you keep just repeating yourself and not responding to the points being made? They were NOT killed for being transgender.

Why is it a pointless argument? As you don't like the question? It was a perfectly valid one. "If gay people launched a day of remembrance for very few victims..." - how many would be acceptable to you before you thought they'd be ok to maybe celebrate it? Where would your line be? 100 people, nah, not enough people hurt yet, don't be wanting a remembrance Day? I'm of the opinion even a relatively low number is too many murders.

I noted one person saying there hadn't been any transgender women killed in the UK this year - can I remind everyone of the death of Naome Hersi a transgender women drugged, raped and murdered in London.
I think this thread is a very bad reflection on MN.
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/09/26/transgender-woman-naomi-hersi-death/

Outside of sex work, the biggest common factor among the deaths of transwomen (note - the number of transmen killed appears to be much, much lower) is that the perpetrator is known to the victim and is often in a relationship with them. It's unclear what their transgender status has to do with the motivation in these (tragic) scenarios

The reason they are doing this is to make it seem to people who aren't engaged at all with real statistics that they're being murdered en-masse.

These activists ignore the way that actual transpeople have died; they don't give a shit about their working or living conditions or do anything to improve or help them, they don't look at the actual stories or statistics - they just lie and exaggerate and take sad selfies.

This is quite true actually. The only time you hear about the plight of transgender sex workers in Brazil and other South American countries is when TRAs are bringing up the 'average life expectancy is 35 thing'. They never actually seem to be campaigning to make things better for these people (in fact aren't you a SWERF if you suggest that there might be a better way than selling your body for money?) , just using them for their own agenda. That is how it comes across anyway.

Depends. If gay people launched a day of remembrance where there were very few victims, and those who had died were victims of other awful circumstances, and they used that as emotional leverage to override straight peoples rights and bully everyone, you bet that people would be commenting.

As it is, there's no comparison, is there? Another pointless argument.

That linked post "was they remembered this day" - that looks like a day to remember against homophobia, transphobia all as one big blanket day. This one more like one just for them. Which there's nothing wrong with them having, to want to remember themselves.
If there was a remembrance Day for just homophobic attacks, would there be such an "how dare they want that" response? Or is that saved just for transpeople?

A day of remembrance for murdered transwomen. Yes. That's also known as being themselves. Why shouldn't they have a day to remember any transwomen killed?

Low low blow bringing 9/11 into the debate. This had an impact world wide that I can’t put into words! Cos I so pissed off now.

I’m logging out before I flounce again.

TRAs appropriation of murders and suicides, and their lies about them and their scale absolutely affects women's rights. It's how they bully others

^ absolutely

In the main, it’s sex workers being murdered. That is the reason they were murdered. To frame it as being about their trans status is wrong, and it doesn’t help prevent further deaths. Or do you not think that should be the focus? The ‘why’ is important so that it doesn’t keep happening. The treatment of sex workers is something that matters to me, as I had a sister and several gay friends in the sex industry. It has ruined their lives.

Well, we can't "let them" or "not let them" so it's a moot point isn't it?

People can do whatever they want, but equally we can comment on it.

TRAs appropriation of murders and suicides, and their lies about them and their scale absolutely affects women's rights. It's how they bully others.

Also, if I were an actual transwoman in Brazil in danger, I wouldn't feel terribly comforted by David the white, rich, privileged kid with blue hair in Brighton saying that my life was the reason men needed to be let into women's spaces.

Verbeena
it's nothing to DO with that though, it's a day of remembrance for people being attacked or murdered for being themselves!

NO IT IS NOT. It’s a day of rememberance for murdered transwomen, who were mostly not murdered for ‘being themselves/trans’. That’s the point.

I’m inclined to agree it’s none of my business if transwomen wish to remember murdered transwomen on the other side of the world - provided it’s not used as an argument for allowing transwomen into women’s spaces. It is not women's job to protect transwomen from male violence, any more than it’s our job to protect gay men.

Was they remembered on this day