TG day of remembrance

And yes, you're right. There are real people involved, real women, real children, real risks. Not buying into it

Not buying into what? That there are real people involved, real women, real children, real risks?

To take that problem and use it to make out that trans people are specific murder targets all over the world is totally disingenous, and also quite insulting to the victims of these murders

From earlier in the thread I'll use the example of Munroe Bergdorf's tweet (source here) earlier this year. It stated that statistically they would only live for another 4 years, because the life expectancy for transwomen of colour is 35 years. The implication being that TW of colour are killed at such a rate that their overall life expectancy is sharply reduced as a result and that violence against transpeople needed to be addressed as a priority.

The missing nuance here was the fact that the statistic was taken from a survey of Brazilian TW sex workers. Therefore Munroe - as a middle-class British transwoman with a media profile and platform - was highly unlikely to be within the same risk category as a Brazilian transwoman engaged in sex work as a way of keeping food on the table

Honestly, at this point, so fed up with all this I'm no longer bothered what names you want to call me or what shaming you try. Water off a duck's back.

And yes, you're right. There are real people involved, real women, real children, real risks. Not buying into it.

Do you know how ridiculous it makes you look to moan that people shouldn’t have a day or rememberance because these people don’t... use your own initiative and make one then if you care so much, don’t blame trans people for caring and taking action themselves

Completely agree, why wouldn't you set up your own day? There should be other days too and there's no reason for there not to be or why people shouldn't campaign for their own day too. Can't blame trans for setting up their own day, they have every right to.

1 murder is too many, no matter who the victim
Definitely. Doesn't matter if it is only a few victims like implied upthread, even just a few is a few too much.

It's about the ability of some women to recognise that this is part of the strategy to frame the transgender community as exceptional victims worthy of especial sympathy, which includes the (false) suicide statistics and constant referencing of suicide risk, and is about the general public being sufficiently convinced of the extreme vulnerability and pathos of this group not to resist the changes in law to surrender women and children's rights

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Do you know how ridiculous it makes you look to moan that people shouldn’t have a day or rememberance because these people don’t... use your own initiative and make one then if you care so much, don’t blame trans people for caring and taking action themselves.

1 murder is too many, no matter who the victim.

To accuse trans people of using a rememberance day as a way of getting access to bloody toilets is a very low blow. Not everything is about you, there are real people behind the title.

Did anyone start their own thread on white ribbon day? I would but I know it will get jumped on and turned into a trans thread. Funny how the only day set up against violance to woman, was done so by men

If we're looking at the highest and most tragic victims of homicide by class, where's the day of remembrance for children under 1 year old, the consistently highest ratio statistic for murder in the UK? Disabled people? Black people? Women? The elderly? You're right, there is none. The only other termed 'day of remembrance' in the UK is for millions of war dead.

This isn't about 'no one group can have it unless all groups can have it', or petty resentfulness, or prejudice. It's about the ability of some women to recognise that this is part of the strategy to frame the transgender community as exceptional victims worthy of especial sympathy, which includes the (false) suicide statistics and constant referencing of suicide risk, and is about the general public being sufficiently convinced of the extreme vulnerability and pathos of this group not to resist the changes in law to surrender women and children's rights.

Like the endless referencing of suicide risks, it is inaccurate and insulting to the trans community to be constantly painted as all extremely vulnerable and in danger, and no, I don't buy the propaganda for entitlement to exceptional, extraordinary rights over women. This is a day flying under a false flag.

WomanAndProud - Why did you post on this matter on MN? What were you hoping to achieve?

Little confused as to what that last post has got to do with transremembrance day? You have a friend who's trans and every inch a woman? Erm.... good?

Same page says this:

Trans panic is a similar defense applied in cases of assault, manslaughter, or murder of a transgender individual, with whom the assailant(s) engaged in sexual relations unaware that the victim is transgender until seeing them naked, or further into or post sexual activity.

"It seems fair when you consider that it was (and still is in some places) a legitimate defence against a murder charge that the killer didn't know their victim was transgender until they were becoming intimately involved."

Say what?

It's called the 'gay panic defence'. Stop appropriating things. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

"a day on which those trans and gender-diverse people who have been victims of homicide are remembered."

No one on the thread has an issue with this, however TRA's have re-purposed the day to fit their agenda. That is who the anger should be directed and not as expected at those pointing this out.

It seems fair when you consider that it was (and still is in some places) a legitimate defence against a murder charge that the killer didn't know their victim was transgender until they were becoming intimately involved.

"A trans remembrance day for all those whose lives have been taken whether taken their own lives or attacked."

Again, TDoR is not about people who have committed suicide, it is specifically:

"a day on which those trans and gender-diverse people who have been victims of homicide are remembered."

No idea who that's aimed at, doesn't mean people are auto gynephiles just because they don't agree with you yanno.

My understanding of TDoR is that it was also opportunity to reflect upon those who had taken their own lives. In fact, they are remembered at the vigils I have attended, and they tend to be young and many...

And they should be entitled to have a remembrance day too,agree with you there.
A trans remembrance day for all those whose lives have been taken whether taken their own lives or attacked.

Just because you have a cnt doesn't mean you have to be one.*

That didn’t take long.

Nobody is ever murdered because they are trans, or gay, or a woman, or black.They are murdered because people are transphobia, homophobic, mysogyny, racist etc.

That's a huge contradiction.
People aren't murdered because they are trans, gay,a woman or black but then in the next breath they are murdered because of transphobia, homophobic, mysogyny or racist.
Surely if someone was one of those and killing someone just because they were a woman/black/trans/gay it is BECAUSE they are homophobic/transphobic etc. Which would mean they are killed due to intolerance then, surely?

From ‘Tooshytoshine’
Just because you have a cnt doesn't mean you have to be one*

More misogynistic abuse, gosh you TRA’s are out in force trolling women’s groups this week aren’t you?