Trevor Phillips in the Times

Looks as though you're still liable for anything done in your dead-name to me.

The case is about the summons.

It raises an interesting issue about how are potential crimes, fines, debt recovery etc dealt with if not prosecuted before the legal 'transition'.

Places like Malta and Cyprus sell EU citizenship to Russians etc. It's part of the whole offshore haven infrastructure. Countries that will sell passports for cash no questions asked are happy to sell new identity of any form. Malta is "home" to lots of non Europeans for this purpose. It's easier to hide your identity if you are newly female, much harder to find a backstory.

This is part of Conservative culture, and I guess its not so surprising when Labour are so gullible to say; well if corruption in Malta is benefited by self ID so we should do the same. It's a long con.

Maltese stuff is fascinating.

I suppose the problem could be establishing what the new name is, or establishing what a dead name was, if this sort of information isn't supposed to be revealed once you have a GRC.

This is from the Irish Act

18 (6) The issue of a gender recognition certificate shall not affect the rights or liabilities of a person or consequences of an action by the person in their original gender prior to the date of issue of the certificate.

www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/25/enacted/en/print#sec18

Looks as though you're still liable for anything done in your dead-name to me.

Does anyone have access to the current court case in Ireland? The legitimacy of a summons and therefore case (?) is being challenged as it was issued in a person's name / sex before they aquired a self-id GRC.

It's recent, within the last few weeks.

So does part 3.2.c

(c) any personal or real right already acquired by third parties or any privilege or hypothecary right of a creditor acquired before the change in the gender identity of the person shall in no way be affected.

mean that creditors can still come looking for their money, even if you've legally changed your gender identity and your name?

Here's the full text of the Maltese Act

tgeu.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Malta_GIGESC_trans_law_2015.pdf

The Maltese process takes a maximum of 30 days:

The introduced procedure before a notary requires a simple declaration based on a person’s self-determination and prohibits requests for medical information. The entire process lasts a maximum of 30 days.

tgeu.org/malta-adopts-ground-breaking-trans-intersex-law/

H'mm, I remember the Polly Peck scandal too…..

• Cyprus

Timelady It is all rather interesting. A few names to watch I would say. Plus Cypress.
I'm old enough to remember Polly Peck and Asil Nadir. He would have looked great in a dress in his prime.

Knowmydisrespect I haven't been back to Malta/Gozo since my teens when we regularly holidayed there and I long to go back! I used to be fascinated by all the old ladies in black making lace. I'm sure time has moved on but possibly not as far as wholesale embracing of self ID...

I think Manderley is right about things coming together and some people spotting an opportunity. It still seems somewhat outlandish to my innocent brain - self ID as a means of wiping your past. After all, surely it's a get out of jail free card that can only be played once. A Byzantine maze of off shore accounts seems much easier. And yet Cypress too?

I'm just going to stay cynical. I don't think many of the people driving this actually care a jot about trans people. Whatever they say.

I just refreshed the comments and not surprised to see Silver Lady at the top. I am positive she's a MNer! She and I seem to have very similar viewpoints so I 'see' her on many of the same articles I comment on (although I haven't needed to on this one as about 760 other people have done so already!)

It's a marked difference to just a few months ago.

Just printing the Malta comment text in The Times in full for the record. I'm still trying to figure out what she's implying:

This has nothing to do with Trans rights they know you cannot override objective realty (sex) with subjective identity (gender) If they choose gender over sex then everyone else loses. This has more to do with big business as an offshoot of the proposal to make identity 'fluid'. Both Linda Riley Labour LGBT Business adviser and Sue Graham Pascoe The Tory LGBT adviser both have a habit of liquidating companies with high book values.

The CEO of the EHRC David Isaacs was the subject of a judges comment on conflict of interest (a lawyer who works for the Business Sector and brought in Stonewalls 100 list of companies from banks to government agencies in a publicly funded organisation who may have to take discrimination cases against the government (or not). Nicky Morgan recruited him in 2016. The EHRCs response to the Scottish GRA consultation was that Nicky Morgan was looking into Companies House not 'dead naming' individuals who had cosmetic surgery and played out sex stereotypes for Companies House filing purposes. So in effect Riley would be named but Pascoe would not and be free to disguise their lack of business management.

When this whole affair was proposed to Maria Miller by equally 'dodgy' EU Rapoteur Deborah Schembri of Malta in December 2014 (she visited Miller to get approval for Resolution 2048 on sel id) It was in light of the Panama Papers scandals and the business affairs of prominent Maltese politicians. The journalist who exposed this was Daphne Galizia who was murdered by a car bomb not long after . Ms Schembri is now in charge of issuing birth certificates in Malta and has been associated with new properties in the millionaires mile of Malta.

This is just one example how gender self ID will impact on security and company law. Get a new birth certificate with no proof just a sex stereotype and liquidate, liquidate, liquidate.

I think he’s realised that once they’ve come for the women, they’ll come for black people (and other minorities too) and he’ll be powerless to stop it

Well..some of us black people and minorities are also women - we're not 'other'-

They'll come for us first. Paris Lee's et al are very fond of comparing discrimination against transwomen, to discrimination against black women. Not that they care really, it's just useful and acceptable in the 'cause' it seems for white male born privilege to have the audacity, without even asking black womens' views, to think they know what it means to be a black woman.

It is a discussion that's had, albeit not on Mumsnet ..I'm not surprised about T Phillips analogy re black women in this respect. I understand clearly why he said it.

Brilliant article. I also wish he'd spoken out earlier but at least he has. There are many who still haven't.

I’ve been on holiday in Malta and Gozo for the past 10 days, and I have seen nothing here to suggest any kind of trans culture, community, what have you. And I’ve been looking.

This is, as pps, have said, a socially conservative, Catholic country, and I can only imagine that law got through becaouse it was so outlandishly beyond the wildest imagining of the Maltese people that It didn’t even register.

I like the bit where one of the commentators tries to explain to Phillips the recommendations of the consultation that Phillips took part in.

There’s really no self-awareness.

Did you see Phillips reply to correct one man who thought the new proposals would still allow trans women to be excluded from single-sex services under the Equality Act? I guess he'd just believed the spin from Penny

712 comments - and approximately two commentators disagreeing with Phillips, albeit multiple times.

712 comments.

Seems people have plenty to say when they are allowed to.

Get in early and often is my motto

More than three, I think.

I think there are at least 3 mumsnetters commenting on the Trevor Phillips article. I recognise the style!

Greek Orthodox takes a similar line on homosexuality to the Catholic Church? I don't think it is about tax that's just a bonus to be exploited.

I'm trying not to be infuriated with the woke crowd, but:

in the 70s and 80s (and before), life was unimaginably rubbish for gay men and lesbians, black people, women, and children, compared with now (when it's still troubling).

The people speaking out on GRA reform include those who did really hard work in those days, unfunded work in the most part, to change the context we live in, where people are (generally) allowed to be themselves.

We should listen to them.