Cafe in Deptford banning women who say things they don’t like.

"Trans exclusionary people" pretty much includes every conservative adherent to a world religion, and a fair few liberal adherents too.

My Mil is trans-exclusionary in the sense that she would not accept being in a state of nudity while changing in a room with a male-bodied individual that wasn't her husband. That's a fairly common attitude amongst Arab women of her generation (and indeed most women of her generation, regardless of their ethnic or cultural heritage).

So is she not welcome at this cafe? Because this sign starts to look a lot like covert discrimination if so. They are stating they will refuse to welcome people from certain ethnic and religious backgrounds, purely on the grounds of what they believe about sex and gender.

So I'm guessing we shouldn't hold our GC book club at this cafe?

It's such a bizarre thing for a business to do. Generally, as a business you welcome everyone who comes in unless they're violent or aggressive or don't pay their bills. And that's partly because it's illegal to discriminate on grounds of race, sex, sexuality, religion etc, and partly because who cares what someone's political opinions are as long as they hand over their money? You'd be completely mad as a business to say "We're not going to serve Tories" or "We're not going to serve homophobes."

And isn't it striking that they singled out "Terfs"? The unavoidable conclusion is they would welcome anyone else, including fascists, but they don't want gender-critical feminists.

AAK...and leave a tip!

And then they bring you a salad with bugs in it, and wait to see if you send it back or if you meekly attempt to eat around it and pay and leave without even mentioning it.

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This is local to me. What has really upset me is Venice posted the picture on a local FB group and all of the replies were 100% against her and in favour of the sign. This is not a studenty FB group either. I was horrified. They (without irony) described the sign as being 'about equality'. Very much reflecting what Jane Clare Jones said on Twitter: they find supporting trans and attacking women indistinguishable. I complained to the admin (who to his credit had already blocked further comments) and left the group. It's definitely made me rethink my attitude to my local community!

Perhaps the purity test is in the form of seeing if women customers are compliant, nice and kind. So they sit you at the table by the door, of the one that has not been cleared, then make you wait ages for service whilst they serve any men/trans. Women who are apologetic as if they are asking for a favour, are OK, those who are gobby and effectively demand equal treatment fail the terf-test.

This is hardly surprising.
Goldsmiths University - right in the heart of Deptford(lampposts are festooned with Goldsmith banners) is the employer of Natascha Kennedy who was outed in the Times as having orchestrated the campaign to rid academia of feminist faculty staff with wrong-think. I didn’t hear of any fallout after that story broke.
A certain LM is apparently also now attending there, so it wouldn’t be unusual to see further activities like this in the Deptford area.

If they're so into purity can they maybe apply the same rigor to maintaining the purity of their food prep areas? Still think someone should report them for the state of that kitchen. If it's a private kitchen, fine, but if they're charging people money then they need to keep it clean.

Also what Aspie said - if they intend to exclude anyone who's not fully supportive of everything the kind of people who call women T*RFS believe then their customer base is going to be a bit limited.

Obviously they will need a purity test to ensure all customers are engaging in goodthink. Maybe chanting "trans women are women" at all potential customers and anyone who doesn't immediately respond in the affirmative can be safely refused service.

If I was not already suspicious of transgenderism, I would be after this thread. Too many good points.

I do understand the desire "to be nice" but nice to whom and at what cost to women and girls? Why on earth would someone tell a little girl that she is not allowed to say no to penis?

You do realize that's child abuse, right? It's the kind of grooming which pedophiles do.

As it’s impossible to tell who’s ‘trans exclusionary’ at a glance, and as only 18% (at most) favour self-ID, wouldn’t it be easiest all around to simply refuse to serve 4 out of every 5 customers?

Or possibly just point out to the lads that they are possibly risking food poisoning if they don't clean their student kitchen!

Given that female biology is seen as trans-exclusionary, and this is mumsnet, surely the suggestion ought to be for a breastfeeding protest...

That photo in the OP has been taken in the house of people who are in their second year in university! Deffo not a commercial caff! How amusing!

Reminds me of something - of yes 'No blacks, no Irish' very progressive.
Sanctimonious little ejits.

it would only be a list of you assumed that people with learning disabilities or Asd could not hold GC views which of course some can, but to think that just because your consept of gender is maybe different or your ability to express it is not the same as being GC

The sign is also possibly ableist. A lot of people with autism and learning difficulties struggle with this whole thing and given that people with autism can also be very blunt and matter of fact...

So ableist, misogynistic and homophobic all in one. Not looking good Greenhouse, not looking good at all...

I was near Deptford last weekend. (Even been to a match at Millwall!) I reckon I could pass as non GC, as long as I did not say anything. Oddly a lifetime of living in London means I am inclined to live and let live, even if I don’t believe Karen White should be in a woman’s jail.

However there is no way on earth I would want to eat in a cafe run by intolerant misogynists, who won’t allow me lawful opinions. There is already too much of that coming from dimwit politicians.

That should get reported to the local council as homophobic abuse.

And the state of the place.

I think they have clarified at is all people who are gender critical and I suppose its aimed at people who make a point of expressing this towards others those making them uncomfortable. I mean no would know you were GC if you didn't tell them would they.

"we won't accept intimidating behaviour to transgender people"

That's great! But where is the majority of this intimidating behaviour coming from? The sign seems to be aimed towards women but IME the majority of harassment of transgender people is perpetrated by men. Nobody seems to want to address that fact though. I guess it's easier to harass and bully women instead, isn't it, Greenhouse?

exellent a app theres a few grand floating around somewhere to develop one ask someone for some money.

We need some sort of app, showing which businesses do want to take our money so we can spare ourselves the inconvenience of looking around to get our lunch.