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Handmaiden bingo

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XXcstatic · 21/10/2018 08:24

Am friends with an ex-colleague on FB who posted a link to the Stonewall GRA consultation campaign. I foolishly clicked on the comments, and it's Handmaiden Bingo.

Someone - who appears to be a fully functioning adult in her 30s - has actually posted "my feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit". I didn't think anyone actually ever said that outside of Twitter & woke student groups.

Then a gay man wades in with how passionate he is about TW being women and how he always accompanies his daughters into the Ladies, and it's fine Hmm, so why do we all bang on about toilets and potential predators?

Next comes another adult woman upset that we treat "all men as if they are rapists, and who are we (women) to say that TW are not women?". Then she thinks that the solution is to be less bothered about gender stereotypes - apparently without noticing that TRA ideology depends entirely on gender stereotypes,

By this stage, my eyes are rolling so far back in my head that I can hardly read on. One brave soul did post a mild reply concerned about self-ID in women's sport and, in fairness, there wasn't a pile-on but no support either.

It's so depressing that women - and the fathers of girls - are queueing up to give away their rights. My only consolation is that the original post only got a handful of likes, even though the OP has 100s of FB friends.

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VickyEadie · 21/10/2018 13:09

Two of my relatives are busy throwing my daughter's rights and safety at the feet of men. The word 'brave' has used to describe a particularly offensive incursor.

Indeed. I just can't bear how both men and women are blithely tossing (word used on purpose) the rights of girls and women "at the feet of men" and they just cannot see what they're doing.

Charliethefeminist · 21/10/2018 11:30

That includes a woman in her 50s and a woke bro.

Charliethefeminist · 21/10/2018 11:29

Two of my relatives are busy throwing my daughter's rights and safety at the feet of men. The word 'brave' has used to describe a particularly offensive incursor.

EverardDigby · 21/10/2018 11:09

I'm feeling despondent as a feminist I know in her 50s has posted the Stonewall link to the consultation and there are some wary comments but most are emphasising how TWAW. As for her, she's been fairly privileged, has no experience of sexual assault etc. (as far as I know but I'm fairly confident in saying that) and I just want to say what about those of us who've been so badly damaged we can't even bear to sit next to a man on a bus, but I feel too fragile to get into an argument. On the other hand most other women I've spoken to definitely don't think TWAW but are too scared to say it publicly.

sawdustformypony · 21/10/2018 10:58

has actually posted "my feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit". I didn't think anyone actually ever said that outside of Twitter & woke student groups.

Nah - It used to be posted on this site loads before the trans issue took over - back in the days of Buffy the Reasonable and chums.

OldCrone · 21/10/2018 10:33

Then a gay man wades in with how passionate he is about TW being women and how he always accompanies his daughters into the Ladies

Since when has it been acceptable for a man to take his daughters into the ladies'? Do women accompany their sons into the men's toilets?

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XXcstatic · 21/10/2018 10:33

Was told by women on facebook yesterday that tw athletes have no innate advantage over women athletes

How can people be this stupid?

I find the best answer to this is to ask (1) why do we have sex-segregated sports? (2) how does identifying as a woman change biology? (you don't need to get into the details of testosterone etc because most TW athletes haven't undergone any medical or surgical transition) and (3) if transition turns you into the opposite sex, why aren't any transmen beating natal men in sports?

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Iused2BanOptimist · 21/10/2018 10:23

I so admire everyone on this board who engages and calmly explains and debates. Because I can barely discuss it without flying off the handle!
I really hate stupid people and quickly lose patience when faced with explaining basic concepts to people who should know better and I'm sorry but I think the whole concept of changing sex, TWAW, sport etc, it's all just rank stupidity of the highest order, all of it. 

AneWitche · 21/10/2018 10:18

This one struck me

Then a gay man wades in with how passionate he is about TW being women and how he always accompanies his daughters into the Ladies, and it's fine hmm, so why do we all bang on about toilets and potential predators

So he's in there as a man, and he doesn't realise that with him there any potential predators aren't going to be doing their predator thing with him around?
Berk!

VickyEadie · 21/10/2018 10:16

Was told by women on facebook yesterday that tw athletes have no innate advantage over women athletes. I could fucking weep .

Ereshkigal · 21/10/2018 10:11

Someone - who appears to be a fully functioning adult in her 30s - has actually posted "my feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit". I didn't think anyone actually ever said that outside of Twitter & woke student groups.

I particularly enjoy it when they post it as the meme with all the curly fronds and leaves around the words.

hipsterfun · 21/10/2018 09:42

I feel you, OP.

I’ve been having a two-week long WhatsApp chat with a friend who I thought was a sensible feminist. It’s been eye opening.

clarinsgirl · 21/10/2018 08:28

Had a similar experience yesterday - but no one else waded in. I'm hoping I've opened the eyes of an otherwise well educated am intelligent woman to the reality of self id.

It really is terrifying how completely debate and logic have been squashed.