Handmaiden bingo

OldCrone It's an argument found sometimes under Daily Mail articles - feminists wanted equality and this is the result, ergo we've only got ourselves to blame. Yes, it makes no sense but a certain type of man (unfortunately I am related to one) thinks that we brought this on ourselves.

I commented on a friend's shared Stonewall post that was she not worried about self id given the Karen white story. I got told that it really was the same as denying rights to disabled or black people just because a few of them might break the law. Wtf. I didn't even bother arguing , I just said it's not the same and I didn't want to 'deny' rights to anyone! Just that the reforms were open to abuse. This friend is an extremely intelligent person too. I could weep.

Pawsome same. I have someone whose kid is transitioning and I have long noticed very few FB likes. No one is critical, there's just nothing. I don't know why he carries on tbh as surely his child, also on FB must notice lack of support, which can't be great for them.

This is fascinating to me as I know quite a few people either transitioning or transitioning their children, yet when the parents of the "trans children," are posting the links, false stats, etc. it's like tumbleweed.

Nobody is joining in at all, one has 80+ likes for a picture of a dog, then 1 (her partner) for the stonewall link posted the same day last week. Can I take hope from that, that I don't live in a completely mad part of the country? Hope so!

'D'B thinks it's ridiculous and will destroy women's sports, but being the obnoxious misogynist that he is said "well it's what you feminists wanted isn't it. You've only got yourself to blame"

I don't understand this argument. Did he explain it? How are feminists supposed to be to blame for men thinking they're women and wanting to invade women's spaces?

You ask why a lesbian might go into the men's toilets. Well why not? We have a gay man admitting going into the women 's toilets so why not the other way round? There is no difference. Or is there because he's a man!

I think I'm very lucky: I've only met one woke dude. He's 50, has two very young daughters and thinks that a teenage trans woman becoming a Labour women's officer was a sign of progress. His poor kids.

While my family is full of brexiters (we no longer talk about it) on self id we all agree it is fucking ridiculous. My aunt lives in France and doesn't keep up to date with UK news: when my mum told her about the consultation she said that if anyone else had told her she'd have thought they were joking. So far:
DM
DF
SIL
2 aunts
Lots of cousins
Have all filled in the consultation.

'D'B thinks it's ridiculous and will destroy women's sports, but being the obnoxious misogynist that he is said "well it's what you feminists wanted isn't it. You've only got yourself to blame" 🤬

Agree, what’s the issue about intersectional feminism?

The issue is when "everything intersects with penis". The concept of intersectionality is badly understood by trans allies.

Why would a lesbian not go in the women's toilets. Lesbians are women. I don't get it. Do TRA think lesbians are men. What's the deal there.

Ah great, someone who fails to grasp the difference between sex, sexuality and gender.

Aargh, I’m on a bingo loop. Always with the feelz, the circular definitions and the logical inconsistency.

Ah, the old 'what about lesbians, then?!' trope.

Hmm so should a lesbian tin not the men's toilets then? That is the logic some people are spouting.
Or how about men's changing facilities. Should bi and lesbian women to there.
Should all women feel free to use men's toilets because the queue is shorter?
Somehow I don't think the men would appreciate that, in fact I know they wouldnt.

Trans men are where trans intersects with feminism. It's another appropriated term used without fully understanding HOW to use it.

I genuinely cannot reply to idiots like this, as I don't have the patience. I admire people like datun and bowlofbabelfish, who can deal with it all for ages, seemingly without even getting a little bit angry at the stupidity.

How the fuck do so many 'feminists' not actually understand intersectionality and think that it means you should include men? Its bonkers.

Agree, what’s the issue about intersectional feminism?

The quote ”my feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit" comes from Flavia Dzodan, on her blog tigerbeatdown.com.

It is several years old, and she was talking about black women, in a critique of one of the first slutwalks in the US, where a white woman was holding a sign stating “women are the n*ggers of the world”.

Flavia was talking about the implicit racism in slutwalk at the time, and not about including men.

I hear you Optimist, generally I feel rage at the breathtaking stupidity too. The phrase 'I just want everyone to be happy and be who they want to be' was used. I explained that although a lovely sentiment, this would mean rapists get be rapists, probably in women's hospital wards or prisons. The woman has a PhD and has not lead a sheltered life, I just don't understand why there is such ignorance around the reality of self id.

Handmaiden bingo I've had over the last few days (can someone make cards?). This is just a few.

"by not letting TW into CIS women's safe spaces you are effectively saying that they should be assaulted on the street".

"I see that you are also hostile to sex workers"

"Trans athletes have so much to battle against and when they succeed - against all odds - they are not credited with this success"

"Any system will be abused we cannot come at a law from a position of hate, we should choose hope"

"Linking to statistics on trans sex offenders could be seen as hateful to a trans person reading it"

"invalidating identity" So many around thinking that they do not to exist, these can never be explained.

On me explaining that I think the concept of gender is harmful "oh well I'm agender. I do not identify with any gender". But you think the idea of enshrining gender into law is great. OK...

Why does a gay man take his daughters into the ladies in the first place? Why not into the men’s? I suspect if he reflected on that, he’d see the problem with mixed sex facilities.

Excellent point. The mental gymnastics to compute that and believe that TWAW would probably make his head explode. This is the problem with the entire debate though; it's predicated on illogical, indefensible, circular arguments. That's why we must simply believe and never, ever question. It makes me sad when women in particular fail to grasp this and willingly adhere to the bullshit gender stereotypes that have oppressed us since forever.

TheSteakBakeOfAwesome tell ze they're spouting actual literal violence and transphobia by using the word b*stfeeding. Any fule kno it's chestfeeding.

Wtf is a man doing in the women's toilets?

He should take them into the men's or let them go alone into the womens.
Why won't he let them go alone? Interesting.

I had the corker on my FB of "as a non binary asexual person who has given birth to, and breastfed 3 children..."

No hint of irony or how fucking ridiculous it sounded.

I hear you.

I had to go out for the day to a no signal area to de frag from the full card handmaiden bingo I'd seen.