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Rachel McKinnon story has made the Daily Mail

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MyEyesAreNotDeceivingMe · 20/10/2018 17:37

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6296975/American-cyclist-lashes-losing-world-championship-trans-woman-wont-accept-apology.html

It’s worth clicking on to read the comments.

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CallingDannyBoy · 20/10/2018 22:06

It feels like gaslighting on a massive scale

CallingDannyBoy · 20/10/2018 22:06

I think one competitor Sarah Fader who made the final with a faster time pulled out.

www.velonews.com/2018/10/news/commentary-the-complicated-case-of-transgender-cyclist-dr-rachel-mckinnon_480285

Babdoc · 20/10/2018 21:29

I can’t understand why any of the women competitors agreed to race against a bloke. Whatever his current testosterone level, he has a male cardiac output, male size lungs and male muscle bulk. He’s basically cheating by claiming to “identify as” or “feel like” a woman in order to have an unfair advantage in an event he should never have been allowed to enter. His body is still totally bloody male, whatever his delusions or “gender feelz” say.
If this is allowed to continue, it’s the death of women’s sport in every single area of competition. Can you imagine the next fucking Olympics? It will be men’s events and er... men pretending to be women’s events.
Real women won’t get a bloody look in.

Juells · 20/10/2018 21:22

Callmejudith
It's the first time I've seen the video linked to in the article.

Ohmigod I hadn't noticed it until you posted about it. Big fucking man striding to the podium and struggling to get the winner's jersey on over the big man's shoulders and chest.

And a grovelling apology wasn't good enough for him, he still had to put the boot in.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/10/2018 20:40

Oh no i don't mean to give the impression that i was criticising her merry

Really sorry if thats how it reads (which is ironic) i just think its dreadful that she needed to d that

FlaviaAlbia · 20/10/2018 20:34

All evidence points to them being a bad sport Rodger, in all senses of the word!

RogerAllamsFangirl · 20/10/2018 20:16

McKinnon responded to that tweet by refusing to accept the apology...

merrymouse · 20/10/2018 20:03

I read that as somebody deciding that getting into a feud with McKinnon will be time consuming and pointless when no rules were broken. More productive to explain why the rules are unfair and fight for change. I think she is gracefully taking the high road.

SPOFS · 20/10/2018 19:36

I can't see one comment supporting McKinnon's "win". The public are not having any of this.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/10/2018 19:35

This

(Hopefully )

Rachel McKinnon story has made the Daily Mail
Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/10/2018 19:34

Oh poopy

Should have taken a photo...give me a sec

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/10/2018 19:34

merry

Its was this bit i had a problem with

i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/20/05/5220724-6296975-image-a-59_1540011549390.jpg

merrymouse · 20/10/2018 19:29

and then has to issue a grovelling apology due to a back lash

I think it was more that she could see that there was no point in pursuing the argument on social media. The problem is the rules.

Gncq · 20/10/2018 19:27

If you compete you accept the rules, otherwise, don't compete. I can only imagine what she had to go through in her life to be where she is now, how hard it is to fit in.

Helping someone to "fit in" is no reason to destroy sports for women.

And besides, this is another myth perpetuated by the trans cult isn't it, that it's oh so veh hard.

So this Mckinnon, decides to fulfil his wildest sexual fantasy of portraying himself as a woman full time. Realises he could win a bunch of gold medals and break world records in the process.

What a tough, tough journey.

merrymouse · 20/10/2018 19:14

McKinnon doesn’t seem to realise that there really is very little difference between people who have different levels of pigmentation in their skin, beyond the colour of their skin, so it isn’t comparable at all.

AspieAndProud · 20/10/2018 19:05

Gah, picture missing.

Rachel McKinnon story has made the Daily Mail
AspieAndProud · 20/10/2018 19:05

The difference in height is a good visual indicator of the physical advantage men have over women but it doesn’t show the magnitude of the differences in testosterone levels.

Men have twenty times as much as women so we are really talking about a difference in scale like this.

TheCraicDealer · 20/10/2018 19:05

I think the non-apology she released is fair enough. She's saying sorry to McKinnon but still saying she's unhappy with the rules and working with a group to get them changed. She's done as much as she can without looking like a bitter, sore loser.

Callmejudith · 20/10/2018 18:53

It's the first time I've seen the video linked to in the article. Makes it even more obvious. The Mail know exactly what they're doing with this one.

CallingDannyBoy · 20/10/2018 18:52

Aspie but that never happens........

AspieAndProud · 20/10/2018 18:39

I think the forced apology is the worst part. It’s like having to respect the pronouns of some thug who punched you.

Rubidium · 20/10/2018 18:36

I wonder who leaned on the third placed woman to make her apology?

frogintheTyne · 20/10/2018 18:29

I wish the tabloids had picked up more on Pip Bunce.

I agree, but Pips Bunce, to a casual observer is slightly comedic. Even his name Pips Bunce, has comedy value.

Rachel McKinnon on the other hand is the personification of trans entitlement in all its competitive glory . And the photographic evidence of physical advantage is undeniable.

Obvious man is obvious.

MyEyesAreNotDeceivingMe · 20/10/2018 18:15

It’s this kind of coverage that can easily peak trans the casual observer. When I showed DH the photo earlier in the week he said - that’s a bloke, look at the size of his thighs. He’s a cheat. No one likes a cheat. He’s a bloke who couldn’t make it as bloke.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/10/2018 18:11

Im just so angry

The fact that the third placed competitor makes a comment anout how unfair it is and then has to issue a grovelling apology due to a back lash

Really beyond angry,