Rachel McKinnon story has made the Daily Mail

If a transwoman is a woman then a motorcycle is a cycle - so even the odds next time by matching testosterone with petrol.

I have been told by a friend that McKinnon was absolutely slated on a couple of cycling websites. Mainly by men, saying they were a cheat and a fraud.

USA Cycling is committed to creating an environment where our members have equal opportunity to participate in bicycle racing without discrimination.

If they truly mean without discrimination then they can have no sex/ gender segregation at all. There is no sense or legitimacy in segregating by gender feelings. It is biological sex as a category or nothing.

I showed my dh the photograph and he also said that it's a bloke and he's a cheater. Also, his place is meaningless and the woman who came 'second' is the winner. He said only men who can't succeed in their own category would do something like this and it's rather cowardly.

Ds1 who is 14, aspergers and educated at home refused point blank to believe that any of this could happen. I haven't showed him the photo yet, but he's super logical and he'll probably be infuriated by it. I'm glad he's not in a conventional school tbh. We get to avoid all this pc nonsense and both dc have been raised to be critical thinkers.

Well they won’t have many women at the elite level for much longer will they ?

This is not good news for women cyclists

USA Cycling
@usacycling
USA Cycling has recently received questions regarding our policy on transgender athletes in competition at our sanctioned events.

Read the Full Statement here:

www.usacycling.org/article/usa-cycling-policy-statement

I can't find the video.

Check out @rachelvmckinnon’s Tweet: twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1053080145832144896?s=09 read this egotistical thread and compare to the comment in the mail:

'No one is a transgender to steal anyone's medal,' van Herrikhuyzen wrote. 'We had an honest race under UCI rules. If you compete you accept the rules, otherwise, don't compete

These white middle class male people have been so insulated by their privilege from the faintest clue what life has been like for less privileged groups that they genuinely can't see how offensive they are being.

They tend also to be the ones telling women to 'check their privilege' when complaining that they can't menstruate...

As I mixed-race woman, I am really insulted by this idiot comparing their trampling of women’s rights to the battles faced by black sportspeople. It’s fucking rude

These white middle class male people have been so insulated by their privilege from the faintest clue what life has been like for less privileged groups that they genuinely can't see how offensive they are being.

As I mixed-race woman, I am really insulted by this idiot comparing their trampling of women’s rights to the battles faced by black sportspeople. It’s fucking rude.

Lily. You dont have to answer every question.

If you know people who want to save womens sport just ask them to respond to Qu12.

Feel free to be a trans-woman all you like, as is your right, but do not impinge upon my womanhood

They don't want to impinge, they want to relieve you of it completely and take it for their own.
They want to be the winners in womens sports, awardees in womens business, takeover women's safe spaces, be jailed with women and have people arrested for not going along with it.

I thiin sport the unfairness is so clear cut you see it for what it is.

Have you filled in the government consultation Lily? It's extended till tomorrow I think so if you want to protest against self ID , you can do it in one click from here fairplayforwomen.com/email/

I've tried not to pay too much attention to the whole trans drama going on because I think I felt the whole thing was a bit ridiculous and would play itself out before long - after all it's about as credible as saying Rachel Dolezal is black.

However reading that Daily Mail article I suddenly felt myself boiling with indignation at the use of the term 'cis-woman', in a way I never have before. I am not a fucking cis-woman, I'm just a woman. Feel free to be a trans-woman all you like, as is your right, but do not impinge upon my womanhood. Fucking idiots everywhere.

hackmum, the suits were very expensive and did not last more than a few meets, yet 10 year olds started turning up to galas in them.

Now males are not allowed trunks below the knee or above the waist. (The time differences are so small that it is normal for competitive males to shave legs and chest.) Interesting what they will do with transmen, should any want to compete. (Which they should, because sport is a good thng, but being on a hiding to nothing will be a deterrent.)

I can't save graphics on this set-up - but this meme would be worth posting as it says so much.

This Is Not Progress: give athletics back to the boys

me.me/i/thisisnot-progress-give-athletics-back-to-the-boys-erican-college-3a80b003dcb8494baa431bde5f1db1e9

I was listening this morning to an excerpt from a new book about swimming. The excerpt was about the introduction of polyurethane swimming suits, and how they streamlined the body's movement in water so effectively that they resulted in a number of world records being smashed. They were massively controversial, and after two years they were banned.

I would love someone to explain to me how a technological innovation that delivers an improvement in speed is so scandalous that it must be banned, but a man is allowed to participate in a women's competition? How does that work?

"Rumour has it the IOC are about to take a stance and say no"

I hope so. The IOC has traditionally worked for good participation from outside the developed world. And would presumably not want, say, Muslim women to refuse to compete. Or the athletes/swimmers from non tranditional courties, who have much slower qualifying times, to be dominated by natal men.

The issue for some sports in the west, will be that access to good training facilities and coaching is limited to those selected to talent pathways. You cannot demand that youth athletes take hormones. Inevitably talented girls will be displaced by mediocre boys, and so wont have access to pathway training. The approach is normally to start with an Olympic medal target and work back, with funding being allocated accordingly. The choice for sports bodies will be to look woke and lose funding, or to prioritise those with XX chromosomes. The Government needs to lead and Sport England to provide guidance. And not leave advice to bloody Stonewall.

Sports people are bound by the rules of their governing body. If they protest in any way they will be deselected from their team or not allowed to compete.

That’s why the woman who was third will have apologised. Not because she wanted to or because of social media. She will have been forcedto do so or face disciplinary action.

I think Take the knee would be a great protest except perhaps it would be misconstrued because it has been used already as a different protest.

I was thinking the women could lie across the feet of McKinnon/whomever and adopt a lowly supplicant's position as befits their placings on the medal table, grateful for any scraps. The table they'd have been higher up had it not been for the superior skill of McKinnon/whomever nothing to do with testosterone, anatomy, physiology, more favourable body composition, no, not all at all

Rumour has it the IOC are about to take a stance and say no, not allowed to compete in women's events but it's just a rumour.

I know some top level figure skaters have objected massively as it would push top female skaters and pairs out of medal places.

I think Take the knee would be a great protest except perhaps it would be misconstrued because it has been used already as a different protest. A curtesy would be an excellent use of irony but people probably wouldn't get it. I certainly wouldn't pose for a photo in a group hug. Standing apart and refusing physical contact would be a good place to start.
Part of the problem though is that some women competitors seem to have drunk the Koolaid. I read the woman who came second to Rach was fully supportive and somewhat dismissive of Jen Wagner-Assali and her objections.
I fear this has to get much worse before it gets better if there are women who apparently think it's fine, TWAW and all that.

will be interesting to see how this pans out...

www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/uci-statement-on-transgender-men-women-athlete's-eligibility

The Union Cycliste Internationale has taken note of the discussions over the last few days concerning the eligibility of transgender Men-Women (M-W) to race against women.

The debate comes after the victory of the Canadian transgender athlete Rachel McKinnon in a women’s event at the 2018 UCI Masters Track Cycling World Championships in Los Angeles (USA).

Although there are no queries concerning Women-Men (W-M) transgender athletes, whose situation – at UCI level as for all International Federations (IF) – is controlled by therapeutic use exemptions (TUE), the current situation concerns M-W transgenders.

After some 18 months of substantial work, and after consultation with the IFs, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) should shortly announce guidelines covering the participation of M-W transgender athletes. This document should enable us to take into consideration, in line with the evolution of our society, the desire of these people to compete while at the same time guarantee as far as possible an equal chance for all participants in women’s competitions.

The UCI will adapt its regulations according to the guidelines of the IOC.

There are no rules really about conduct on the podium, remember the black power salute?
The Australian guy on the podium with them got deselected and had a load of hassle, ending his career early.

@Aspie the best way as a sports person who wants to keep competing, get their international rankings and continue is to protest on the podium.

There are no rules really about conduct on the podium, remember the black power salute?

Female athletes could do the same, not take to the podium when a transwoman wins, basically leaving that person alone on the podium and unable to celebrate.

Refusal to race/compete would affect their careers.