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from today's FT - Jess Phillips

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Eppursimuove · 20/10/2018 16:50

Phillips was elected as Labour’s member of parliament for Birmingham Yardley in 2015 and, on the backbenches and social media, speaks her mind about issues facing women in the UK. Her outspoken feminism has secured her thousands of friends and foes alike.
Yet strangely silent on TG issues. I wonder why

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merrymouse · 20/10/2018 17:30

I don’t understand how somebody who regularly interacts with victims of domestic abuse and speaks out on violence against women could think it is possible to judge whether somebody is safe because they appear ‘sincere’.

She read out Karen Ingala Smith’s list of women killed by men in parliament, so must be familiar with GC thinking and certainly can’t think that all GC feminists are TERFs.

transdimensional · 20/10/2018 17:20

Also in 2016 Phillips said she could "understand" the hostility of some feminists to proposed reforms, although she didn't agree.
I think all the above quotes are also from 2016, except for what misscockerspaniel reported she said this week, so it would be interesting to know if her views have evolved.

arranfan · 20/10/2018 17:19

I would like to hear her explanation of what a sincere gender identity is

I think the Police, Courts, Social Work, Health Care systems and even parents would like a sincerity detector.

Do you need to pass the sincerity detector test to be able to sue someone, even if you're insincere but the law permits you to do this?

EvaHarknessRose · 20/10/2018 17:19

It was bbc evening news, thurs or fri I think

misscockerspaniel · 20/10/2018 17:15

She was on TV at sometime during the week (sorry, can't remember which programme but it was a short piece) and she said that politicians were worried about speaking out because of the abuse they received from TRAs.

Trousered · 20/10/2018 17:14

"dont seem sincere or some such nonsense"

I would like to hear her explanation of what a sincere gender identity is and how we tell? She must know as she supported a bill to make gender identity more legally important in prisons, refuges, hospitals, schools, than sex. She must know how this all works?

Do tell Jess. Is Karen White sincere and how do we know? The court said White "adopted a transgender persona". That's exactly what you wanted to be protected isn't it, a transgender persona, or does that mean something different?

Do tell, we need to know Jess.

Eppursimuove · 20/10/2018 17:07

thank you for putting some meat on the bones trousered

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HermioneWeasley · 20/10/2018 17:06

She’s been appalling on the GRA. Thinks the refuges will still be able to turn away self identified men if they dont seem sincere or some such nonsense. She’s a brave woman in so many respects, I don’t know why she won’t speak up for women on this issue

Trousered · 20/10/2018 17:04

She hasn't been silent, in fact she was a supporter of weakening the sex based protections in the Equalities Act further in 2016 by replacing gender reassignment with gender identity.

She must have either agreed then that in no circumstances would single sex mean single sex in the EA2010, any male could use any single sex service, at any time no matter what the impact was on women, and think that to be completely acceptable to all women

or

she didn't realise what she was doing.

Bill Presented

Gender Identity (Protected Characteristic)

Presentation and First Reading (Standing Order No. 57)

Mrs Maria Miller, supported by Jess Phillips, Mrs Flick Drummond and Ben Howlett, presented a Bill to make gender identity a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 in place of gender reassignment and to make associated provision for transgender and other persons; and for connected purposes.

Bill read the First time; to be read a Second time on Friday 24 February, and to be printed (Bill 106).