Late transitioning female to male?

Fucking hell. God help us.

It’s terrifying that this shit is changing the laws of the lands.

It’s fucking pandering. It’s the spoilt kid approach. Threatening to cry until they puke if they don’t get their own way immediately, for the instant gratification. And what’s the conclusion? What’s next? Because a spoilt child demands more and more and more. On their terms.

It’s indulgent and it’s fucking first world problems. Take a look at what happens to girls around the world and campaign for them. Not for your right to turn your birth certificate into a lie. There’s no fucking sense in any of this.

No. Go ahead and cry. You’ll thank us for it one day.

Absolutely furious and so over this shit.

Because middle aged women have all the caring and family support work to do. They don’t have time to sit around navel gazing and getting excited about imagining themselves being the opposite sex. Plus they tend to put their kids and their feelings first if a way that many self centred men do not.

Actually Datun, if I’m honest, it’s you that first alerted me to the sexual element . I saw the lack of women cross dressers etc but I didn’t know the significance of that till I read your posts. It’s been a crash course in feminism and dodgy male sexuality at the University of Datun

This is what first alerted me to the sexual element. The lack middle aged women wearing false beards and marching into the men’s toilets demanding all the men look at their bloke vulva.

And everyone knows it. They do. It's no surprise that there are no women like that, and equally no surprise that there are lots of men like that.

They just don't think it through to its logical conclusion. That it is these men who are demanding access to women's spaces to validate their fetish. Many women recoil from articulating that thought.

Until they do. And then it's gloves off.

This is what first alerted me to the sexual element. The lack middle aged women wearing false beards and marching into the men’s toilets demanding all the men look at their bloke vulva.

The teenage girls are all acting out a form of self harm. If left alone with the right support they’d become, eventually, ordinary middle aged women - pissed off with the world but ok with their fairly unkempt bodies and reasonably cheerful. Like me.

Interesting that the two examples on this thread both refer to other issues.

In terms of young women, Stephanie Davis Arai has said that she has yet to see a young woman transition who wasn't either autistic, lesbian, or had suffered from some kind of sexual trauma.

Women don't transition for arousal purposes.

Men do. Transvestite fetishism and AGP can now be brought into the public sphere with a goodly helping of stunning, brave and Teflon coated 'rights'.

According to Ray Blanchard's typology, every late transitioning man will be an autogynephile (aroused by the thought of themself as a woman).

Whereas the younger man who transitions world generally fall into the HSTS bracket, (homosexual transsexual.)

Given exactly how many aggressive men are now coming out of the woodwork, I think there are probably a few more categories as well. But generally that is why women don't tend to transition late. It's simply not a turn on that they can finally bring out into the open.

This has been in my mind too. Kind of disproves the ‘gender is innate’ and sexed brains.

I’m too fucking busy to think about putting a brush through my hair some days, let alone presenting to the world as a bloke.

The more I read and see the more angry I get. Why are the TRAs not asking for MORE? Why do they want to reduce medical care? Or the time for reflection?

Surely they should be demanding more support?

Because there are thousands of young girls being referred and detransitioning and no fucker give a shit. It’s all middle aged males wanting an easier ride. Reducing the age to 16? THAT IS FUCKING CRAZY. Anyone with teens knows that the 16 year old child is not the adult they are going to be. It’s harmful. Actually harmful.

If we haven’t fucked up the next generation enough with Brexit and Tuition fees, we can have a really good crack at fucking up both their physical and mental health.

And yet, and yet, it NEVER gets raised. We are not looking after our young people. We are not helping them by taking care and support away. We are not helping trans people by not providing specific health care, or denying biology. These are the fucking adults in charge now creating yet another massive problem.

flora The person I know is very into slash fiction and does give the impression of being whatever the female equivalent of AGP is.

I think that’s part of the reason ROGD has been suggested.

There are very few older women “coming out” as trans, despite the increase in visibility. So why are the majority of young people coming forward female. The implication being that there must be another factor, the proposal being that factor is social contagion.

But yes, to those who say women don’t have AGP. Many older “trans” are transvestites and cross-dressers, emboldened in this brave new world.

I know one (late 30s, mum, long history of both physical and mental health issues). Her husband divorced her. She identifies as a gay man, so would have been happy to stay with him.

Middle aged women do not masturbate at the thought of themselves dressed as men.

This^

Yes, I've been wondering about this too. I'm a lesbian, I mix with quite a lot of older lesbians, and we can think of only one woman over the age of 40 who has transitioned — and she was someone who had a bundle of issues, including a background of sexual abuse.

I think a lot of it's cultural. The older lesbians are more politicised than the younger ones. They remember a time when being a butch lesbian wasn't acceptable: they remember Section 28, they were members of Stonewall at the time it was actively working at obtaining rights for lesbian women rather than giving women's rights away to people who merely believe they are women. They are also feminists and aren't under the pressure that young women are to perform femininity properly or become a man.

I think this is a socio-cultural phenomenon being pushed by a men's rights backlash that encourages right-on young men and women to be deeply misogynist while maintaining their woke credentials.

I know someone who is thinking about it. She (and this is her chosen pronoun for now) is married to another woman and not ready to take the step but I think she will get there. She's 40.

Middle aged women do not masturbate at the thought of themselves dressed as men.

And in addition to this, how many of them are married to men who then stay married to them during and after transition, in the way so many women stay married to their transitioned husbands. I'd bet it's close to zero.

Because women are less prone to sexual philias and so aren't autogynephiliacs (what's the female term - is there one?)

I have wondered this too. I would assume there are some but as women we are conditioned to put others before ourselves and by middle age a lot of women have others they are responsible for. I expect they would take the feelings of others into consideration in a way men aren't brought up to. Iyswim.

'cos we get the moustache anyway without having to take hormones 😅

(sorry, couldn't resist)