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Philip Pullman is confused

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Rumbledore · 19/10/2018 10:18

twitter.com/philippullman/status/1053001990710710273?s=21
"Am I alone in finding the trans argument impossible to follow? If someone could tell me which side I should be on, it would save a lot of worry."

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MagicMix · 19/10/2018 13:15

It's just a deluge of 'be nice', though. Most of the replies don't acknowledge the debate at all, they just say 'be nice' and compare it to gay rights.

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/10/2018 13:08

Entirely possible. Sunlight being the best disinfectant and all that.

birdbandit · 19/10/2018 12:46

Is he really confused, or is he enabling debate?

Get folk to make their case, to his audience, and then let his audience and followers see and decide for themselves.

He's not dim.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/10/2018 12:21

If that comedian were on Twitter he probably wouldn't feel so free to make gender critical jokes, though...
Ironically, staying off Twitter is a strategy to make yourself NOT be silenced.

Melanippe · 19/10/2018 12:21

So sad to see committed secularist Pullman being confused by the quasi-religious cult of trans activism. I thought he was more intelligent than that.

thatdamnwoman · 19/10/2018 11:50

Sitting on the fence.

Writes books about the horror of living under a totalitarian regime but can't recognise that when the dictionary definition of 'woman' is being disputed and erased that something very dark is afoot.

Bad show, Philip Pullman. Get one of the women in your life to explain it to you.

VMisaMarshmallow · 19/10/2018 11:47

Being confused is a luxury men have. We don’t get that privilege.

BigotedWoman · 19/10/2018 11:44

But Posie was interviewed in relation to a comment about a specific person, as was Graham Linehan. So as long as Philip Pullman keeps it vague he should be fine. Also he's a man.

So he's both lazy and cowardly atm.

Rumbledore · 19/10/2018 11:17

but Glinner is on

After the pileon Philip has probably climbed back into his box

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silentcrow · 19/10/2018 11:14

I was so disappointed with this when I saw it last night, I almost can't bear to see where it's gone today.

Poet Rachel Rooney has challenged him on the "women be nice" point, though, and I know she's already taken some crap from a certain TRA. If anyone's brave it's her.

ApocalypseNowt · 19/10/2018 11:13

I went to see a stand up comedian a couple of nights ago and there was at least 4 jokes aimed squarely at all the gender fluid/trans malarkey. Damn shame he's not really on Twitter.

Gncq · 19/10/2018 10:59

Unfortunately the comments are mostly depressingly stupid.

Including "Gender is a construct that humans made up. If some folks are a different gender to the one we assume they are, we should listen to them rather than running for our pitchforks"

Or how about we drop the whole crap and recognise people can have all sorts of personalities but sex matters...

But Glinner is on!

MagicMix · 19/10/2018 10:59

It's a strange thing I've noticed, but a lot of the people I know or have seen publicly arguing 'the full trans orthodoxy' as I call it are actually atheists who are very critical of organised religion and things like homeopathy and pride themselves on their critical thinking skills.

Yet somehow can't see that the religion of genderism is just as much based on supernatural unproveable claims as Christianity is. Just goes to show how important the packaging is when it comes to belief systems.

VickyEadie · 19/10/2018 10:49

"Oh, my ears and whiskers - I feel I want to day something but look at dear JKR, she was completely hounded and she's considerably richer than moi..."

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/10/2018 10:49

Fair point arranfan Shock

ToeToToe · 19/10/2018 10:49

He's about to head into "nasty feminists" territory, I fear.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/10/2018 10:48

All he will find out is what he can say on Twitter, rather than what everybody else thinks (or even, heaven forbid, what's actually true). And the more twitter silences people the less representative it becomes.

ToeToToe · 19/10/2018 10:47

Someone who wrote a most excellent series of books which had a strong theme of how totalitarian religion is a Very Bad Thing and how mutilating children is a Very Bad Thing can I’m sure form their own opinion on this.

Gosh yes! Can someone tweet that to him?

Womaningreen · 19/10/2018 10:47

I understand how he feels. there's so much bizarre "information" around, I can see it would take a while to understand. If I hadn't been on MN, I think I would have had a very confused stage too!

arranfan · 19/10/2018 10:44

twitter can’t actually hurt you

I'm loth to disagree with you, Bowlofbabelfish but wasn't Posie Parker interviewed by Police for something arising from Twitter?

NoRunAround · 19/10/2018 10:37

Oh I agree with earlier posters who say he knows exactly what he thinks. Shame he doesn't have the courage to say it.

gendercritter · 19/10/2018 10:35

Totally agree with you Bowl.

I'm very disappointed. Pullman is definitely clever enough to understand humans can't change sex. If he really isn't, my copies of his books will be heading to the charity shop.

Didiusfalco · 19/10/2018 10:32

Oh. How disappointing that Philip Pullman has lost the ability to formulate an opinion.

LangCleg · 19/10/2018 10:32

Someone who wrote a most excellent series of books which had a strong theme of how totalitarian religion is a Very Bad Thing and how mutilating children is a Very Bad Thing can I’m sure form their own opinion on this.

My thoughts precisely. Philip knows exactly what Philip thinks and is just having a wee test to see if he can say it and it's only the women writers like proto-dementia Joanne who cannot.

Pusillanimous and I expected better of him.

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/10/2018 10:29

And I mean I’m sure I’d have been as cowardly as the next person if faced with the stake, but twitter can’t actually hurt you. And people telling you you’re a bigoted transphobic whatever can’t hurt you.

So why fold? Stand up. Be counted. Humans. Cannot. Change. Sex.

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