DD 13 asked me if I was a T**F

I'd have to tell her not to discuss feminism with my daughter though, in case she gets her ideas from sites like Jezebel and Teen Vogue. Some of that shit is harmful to young women IMO. It's really not her place as a babysitter to get into that area.

This: ... male-bodied people sharing intimate spaces with female-bodied people
I think the point is to completely avoid that point, isn't it? Olennas
..and I reject labels. Hmm..useful for diagnosis...

Another here not heard these terms before! Tbh I don’t get why it’s a big deal just have a normal debate with them both about your different views.
Reading from here I reckon I’m probably a terf too and happy to back up my reasons to anyone who wanted to call me it in a derogatory manner.
I also agree with babysitter saying there’s lots of different types of feminist and one type isn’t feminist at all they just hate men. There are, and my mother and auntie are the latter. They happily slag off all men and call it feminism.
I wouldn’t be happy though if she had been specifically talking about you.

T**F = woman who can tell the difference between a woman and a man in a dress?

Hell of a lot of us, if so!

I rather envy the naivety of youth, thinking that feminism is obsolete and there are no problems whatsoever with male-bodied people sharing intimate spaces with female-bodied people

I’ve started reading the word TERF in a more positive tone. Trans women cannot be women and if that makes me a TERF so fucking be it. I’m not really bothered anymore.

Mega-TERF here! Yes Branleuse, we should reclaim it, though I didn't know we'd lost it.

I can't imagine Terfing around though, with whom would I TERF around?

Terfing around

I think terf is quite a nice word. Needs reclaiming

And yes, those claiming its a totally neutral word, and so on really need to check out terfisaslur.com for how it is used. Imagine the size of that site now if it had kept being updates. Also worth a look, is the 'cotton ciling' section. Which should tell you all you need to know about what 'trans' means today, and quite what transactivists are wanting. And explain why its just ridiculous to claim 'transphobia' is anything like homophobia. Its transactivists/'transgender' people (not to be confused with transsexuals) who are the homophobic ones

This misogynist would never be left looking after my children again. Anyone who uses such terms against women, and especially against the person who employs them, is not fit to look after kids.

^ because the threads are in active

There seem to be a number of people on FWR tonight who have never heard of the most basic terms in this debate. rather , er, surprising.

I would raise it with the babysitter, but play dumb. Innocently ask what this terf word is that your dc mentioned, because you're not down with the woke kids and you have no idea what it means. Then just curiously ask about her views - does she not think it's a bit silly that people think they need to change bodies just because they don't fit in with 1950s gender stereotypes? Give her something to think about in a totally non-aggressive way 

I would take it at face value.

“I don’t know enough about feminist theory to definitely say I am radical, but I am a feminist. I believe that gender is a construct that hurts everyone. Men and women can only be meaningfully defined according to their biology, so I do not agree that a trans woman is actually a woman. Therefore I might be a TEF. I believe that all people have value because they are human not because they are male or female.”

I announced myself as a 'TERF' recently to son and his friends and they fell about laughing. He'd not heard the term before but one of his friends had and explained. Which made them fall about laughing even more. There's nothing funny about being a TERF and nothing wrong with it either.

Sadly I’ve heard that word quite a lot recently from my family, who have all decided I’m a poisonous terfy bigot

Yeah I don't think I have EVER heard the term "Terf" in my real life-only seen it on here and Twitter.

So she’s taking your money and sitting insulting you to your Dd
Cheeky fucker!

Yes, the word 'woke' appears to have become trendy in recent times. I hate it.

Am quite happy to be called a 'TERF', not that anyone does really. These issues don't come up very often in real life.

Ifnot I'm aware of it's origins, it just makes me laugh that there can't be a trans thread without talk of 'woke' people. It's good to let people know you're down with the kids

My kids definitely think I'm a terf.
Bollocks to it.
I'm working to safeguard women and girls, and I won't stop because my naive and trusting teens think that makes me a meaniepants.
They'll grow up, they'll see it.

But, yeah, MN does love to get a buzzword and run with it!

"Woke" is an American term, it's been used in lefty circles there for years. I think it was mainly used by black Americans.
It's kind of like "politically correct" which started out in the 70s being used to mean the same thing (aware of social inequality,lefty) but also became a term of mockery.

orangesnail do you really genuinely believe that people change sex?
Or that sex is the same as gender?