Passing privilege

I think the opposite. The transwomen I've seen most vocally supporting self ID are those who don't pass at all and many of whom appear to have no intention of physically transitioning. I wonder how many of them would even meet the criteria for a GRC as it currently stands. They have the most to gain because this would grant them a legal position that gives them power over women who might object to their presence.

The transwomen I've seen who don't support self ID tend to be transexuals who pass well.

Yeh I don't always 'pass' as a woman even though I've always been one, and yes I have had looks and comments in toilets. Don't care, I don't need any 'validation' of who I am.

Lurking around online, it seems that men who identify as women often have a totally unrealistic view of how well they pass.

Adult men and women look very different from each other. It's expressed in every detail of our bodies, from hips to jaws. Women seem to be better able to present as men, even if they're rather Hobbity. In contrast, even when men are very slight and short just their hands and feet are often enough to destroy the illusion.

More power to all our elbows

I do object to the misuse of 'privilege' to mean 'anyone having a nicer time' or 'being good at something' though

Privilege is about structural power relations. It's about who gets the biggest slice of pie / who gets to annex whose toilets / whose version of what happened is believed etc

The fact that we're not talking about how upsetting it is to be a non-passing ftm in the men's tells you everything you need to know about who has privilege in this scenario.

I'd be cautious about confronting anyone who looked potentially dangerous, but I've kinda promised myself to challenge anyone visibly male in a woman only space.

The OP has made me realise that I, an actual womany woman, now face uncertainty every time I need to use single-sex faculties like toilets and changing rooms. Because of the current acceptance of self-id I’m now always aware of the possibility of there being a male in what is meant to be or was previously a female-only space.

It has happened once and I didn’t say anything. That was over a year ago, and if it were to happen now I hope I’d speak out.

People like Danielle Muscato are not people suffering from lack of passing privilege, they're men thoroughly enjoying controlling, intimidating and invading women. They're abusers taking the piss.

Under self ID any bloke walking into a women's facility is self declaring just by walking in there. Regardless of how they look.

Women have two options. Quietly cede the space and we return to the Victorian age where women didn't go to public spaces, and accepted they were an inferior species. Or get bloody difficult, and start demanding a safer space, making one hell of a fuss and making service providers' lives a misery. It's worked for the TRAs.

Women aren't all that likely to challenge an obviously male person in a sex-segregated space (even if they haven't been 'educated' that challenging is hate). Most of us will just quietly stop using the space.

'Passing privilege' is inaccurate as the real privilege being exerted will be exerted by non-passing males over everyone else to pretend not to notice or fade quietly away.

But no one is going to carry their birth certificate around with them. And even if they do, and they have had it changed to match their acquired gender, once they've been challenged, it's too late - they already feel shite and have had to justify their existence

There are already stories appearing about women who challenged obvious male -bodied people in women’s spaces and ended up getting in trouble. A side effect of the GRA will be that those who don’t come near to passing will be challenged less often, whichbis one of the reasons it will become easier for predatory men to take advantage.

Maybe not a birth certificate, but surely most people carry a driver's license with them when they're out?

Do they ? I don't. In the UK you don't need to carry it even when you are driving.

And not everyone has a driving licence or a passport.

Maybe not a birth certificate, but surely most people carry a driver's license with them when they're out?