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Emma Watson, supposed feminist. FFS

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Destinysdaughter · 18/10/2018 10:24

On Twitter wearing a tee shirt saying ‘ Trans rights are human rights’

twitter.com/emmawatson/status/1052846691575980033?s=21

With tons of supportive comments underneath.

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FekkoTheLawyer · 19/10/2018 08:51

I guess living in her wealth bubble she wont ever come into contact with the types of person that we have seen beating up women for daring to say that a man isn't a woman, screaming in her face for the same, bomb threats to her red carpet events, or heaven forbid - getting locked up with Karen White or being on a NHS ward with men ...

Wealth and bodyguards definitely cushions you from real life. She might meet some very polished and surgically enhanced transvestites and transsexuals 'in show business' who I'm sure are all jolly nice guys.

pennydrew · 19/10/2018 08:44

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

😂 well my DD actually really likes her as an actress, has done so for a long time, but she thought this was stupid too. She also thought the ‘you’re jealous’ comment was hilarious! You can admire her as an actress and still think her personal views are ill thought out and hypocritical. Well those of us who engage our brain instead of following the crowd.

amandadecabernet · 19/10/2018 08:42

She may be "falling from grace" with mumsnet transphobes, but she certainly isn't with the vast majority of the population (including the vast vast majority of women) who support trans equality. And what equality are they lacking now exactly? Just so I know what to put on a t-shirt.

The more you say it the more obvious it is that you are just sticking your fingers in your ears saying lalala. No one opposes equality; in fact we're quite attached to the idea of our own equal rights. You can keep calling me a transphobe though because apparently it is a meaningless word that you throw at anyone who doesn't just mindlessly repeat your mantra.

I don't hate trans people and I don't oppose anyone's equal rights.

deepwatersolo · 19/10/2018 08:32

orange you bet I am jealous that Emma will never have to share a hospital room with a delusional ‚lesbian’ bepenised crossdresser who gets off on flashing their bits to me.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/10/2018 08:32

penny

Worse!

If you dont rate EW as an actor that make you transphobic!!!

Its getting really weird...

FekkoTheLawyer · 19/10/2018 08:27

'You are just a jealous and smelly girl.'

Oh yes. I hear this is the level of sparking debate at the UN.

pennydrew · 19/10/2018 08:26

So criticising someone means you’re jealous of them? Gosh I haven’t heard that used as an argument since I was at school 😐

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/10/2018 08:24

mumsnet transphobes and those who oppose the GRA reforms and trans rights

What rights dont transpeople have?

Should all spaces and services always be unisex?

Do you believe humans can change sex?

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 19/10/2018 08:23

What a twonk Grin
Great pose, really, ern, masculine?

FekkoTheLawyer · 19/10/2018 08:15

Start with the understorhat sex is not the same as gender.

What rights do people want - how will this benefit their life and society?
Transsexuals or transvestites? We need to distinguish here.
What legally is 'a woman'?
How can a woman be judges as a woman - who decides if Karen White is a woman or not?
Age of this - should a child be able to have their sex changed.
In what situations can someone refuse, say intimate care or rape counselling from a person with a penis? Will this change and should it?
Past identity - should this be 'erased' and what will the legal implications of this be? This can hide past crimes - so CRB checks and the boxes that say 'have you been convicted of a crime?' Become meaningless.

The case of a f2m blood donor - criticised the blood service for asking if they have had a pregnancy or had sex with a man who may have been exposed to Hiv. So 'men' can trumpet about getting pregnant but can't be asked if they have been pregnant? This was a relevant question due to blood from women who have been pregnant recently can be very dangerous to some recipients.

The Bunce.

It's opening up so many loopholes, what ifs and case by case situations.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/10/2018 08:15

I know datun

They have been very busy Grin

Datun · 19/10/2018 08:00

you sound jealous of her success and that people care about her opinion

This poster has ploppped on loads of threads gleefully scolding all and sundry for being hateful bigots. Ignore.

paffuto · 19/10/2018 07:55

mumsnet transphobes and those who oppose the GRA reforms and trans rights I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing "opposing GRA reforms" and "trans rights" being clumped together!!! For the millionth zillionth time, NO ONE is against trans rights, ONLY the GRA reforms. They are two separate issues. Jeeeez how many more times????

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/10/2018 07:42

you sound jealous of her success and that people care about her opinion

Dont be silly Grin

lass??? Jealous of EW?

Hahahahahahahhahaaaaaa....thats given me a laugh this morning at any rate

LadyRochfordsSpikedGusset · 19/10/2018 07:02

Disappointed. Thought she was more intelligent than that.

pachyderm · 19/10/2018 06:59

orangesnail: "Emma is a hero who is putting her head above the parapet and risking/getting the wrath of ignorant transphobes by vocally supporting and coming our for trans rights."

Don't make me laugh. Putting your head above the parapet on this issue means at the very least, being subjected to a torrent of verbal abuse, name-calling and threats of boycotting and professional harm from transactivists. Look at Alison Moyet or even JK Rowling when they deviated from the script. Further down the line, there's your children being threatened, rape and death threats, stalking and actual violence. Feminists have never done any of these things to trans people or their supporters. So you take back that stupid statement that Emma is putting her head above the parapet. She's doing the wokey-cokey like all the other showbiz luvvies who haven't given the matter much thought.

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 06:58

Acting is just repeating somebody else’s words while faking emotion. Film stars don’t even have to remember more than one or two lines at a time as the ‘performance’ is put together in the editing room. I don’t know why they have the esteem they do.

Watson just got lucky being cast in a major franchise when she was a child just because she looked cute and had a posh accent. I very much doubt she’ll have the continuing successful career of former child stars like Drew Barrymore. There really aren’t many big roles for spoilt brats in their thirties.

BumbrainusMaximus · 19/10/2018 06:38

Most opinion polling, when done on an honest and open basis, does not support the theory of “trans rights” that I imagine you would argue for. Even if it did, that would be no reason to jeopardise safeguarding processes and remove the measures in place to enable women to take advantage of single sex environments when appropriate.
Emma Watson is deeply silly; the only thing she manages with any degree of astuteness is her own public profile which is what this is all about. The problem lies with a society which has decided she is worth listening to. She is not, on any topic. She knows nothing and she is nothing.

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LassWiADelicateAir · 19/10/2018 02:05

Oh fgs. What a stupid comment. Jealous of her success? How utterly ridiculous.

I could not care less about her success- you make it sound as if I were at school with her.

Emma Watson used to be fawned over on MN. Goodness knows why- she never said anything particularly original or controversial. Most of her wittering on was at the level of groping is bad/ educating girls is good/ violence against women is a bad thing. Ground breaking stuff not. All without actually doing anything other than the occasional over- wrought and highly publicised speech.

I'm mildly amused to see her fall from grace.

orangesnail · 19/10/2018 01:50

LassWiADelicateAir you sound jealous of her success and that people care about her opinion

LassWiADelicateAir · 19/10/2018 01:49

Emma Watson is a vacuous, virtue- signalling, self- promoting, annoying actress. And she was that long before today's utterance.

orangesnail · 19/10/2018 01:41

Emma is a hero who is putting her head above the parapet and risking/getting the wrath of ignorant transphobes by vocally supporting and coming our for trans rights. Its great that she is, and just further shows that those who oppose the GRA reforms and trans rights are a very vocal minority who do not represent the concerns of real women or real feminists.

amandadecabernet · 19/10/2018 00:03

This is like 'all lives matter' though. If you're forced to refocus on other or 'all' issues simply because you've had the courage to flag up a problem (see 'intersectionality') that's subverting the original message. It's whataboutery and sabotage.

I have a personal cause, which is hanging onto women's hard-won rights which are constantly in danger of slipping away from us. I do not oppose trans rights, of course I don't, but why am I being asked to centre them when my concern is for women, whose rights are actually in jeopardy? And if women's rights are in danger, surely people who say they are women should be concerned.

Frankly I think it is problematic that we are not being allowed to lead the way on this issue. We know what it looks like when men are violent against people they think are not capable of fighting back. We call it misogyny. We could all be on the same side in theory, but instead we are being abused and threatened by folk who call themselves women and this is all about toilets. What does that say about them?

BumbrainusMaximus · 18/10/2018 23:50

Thick actress says something stupid. In other news, bears shits in woods,
I don’t care what she thinks. Nor should any sane person.