Facebook - not feeling brave now

Peak-transed 3 fellow students at uni today!
One shared the fpfw consultation response link on her own fb page.

All 3 submitted their own response there & then.

👍👍

Dunno what that square is on my post

🙌🏻 It’s been worth it going back on Facebook! Got few more who done the GRA 👏

Beyond caring who I upset on Facebook they free you use delete friend. I welcome any delete from anyone who believes I being transphobic bigot and all other shit names

It’s worth those few more votes

I am working on the basis that each person who speaks out will encourage five others to do so.

Excellent advice.
It will hopefully have a snowball effect.
It's working as well. Who would have thought The Guardian would have the guts to discuss it? and they have managed to do so whilst remaining impartial as well.
Which is all we really want - to be able to discuss the issue properly, without getting shut down with constant shouts of being 'Transphobic' or having meetings disrupted by Transactivist thugs.

There's a glimmer of hope for women yet.

I am working on the basis that each person who speaks out will encourage five others to do so.

I focussed on question 12 and the implications it would have on women's sport. And my concern that no effort had been made to consult grass-roots sports clubs. Most people get that.

I also asked a couple of friends in advance to make positive comments.

I then posted in an politically aware interest group with lots of people I don't know, again focussing on sport, and got a lovely and equally careful comment back, thanking me, and wound up with a number of likes. I was so relieved.

I have now followed up my first post with a reminder about the consultation ending and the Fair Play for Women link. I feel a bit uneasy as it looks quite militant, so may take it down on Saturday. No likes, no comments.

I think it is so important that we always remain calm and respectful and only quote statistics for which we can link to proof if challenged. This doesn't mean we can't be assertive.

The TRAs want us to lose our rag, and then we would lose credibility. We aren't going to change the minds of the shouty TRAs. It's the reasonable people who are quietly reading our posts, who don't wish to get publicly involved, that are most likely to be influenced. By doggedly posting reasonable, evidence-based arguments, and not resorting to angry ranting, we will hopefully gain their support.

I had something quite lovely and unexpected happen. A friend with trans family members (who she fully supports) commented, acknowledging that the proposed changes are being taken advantage of, and naming the problem of violence towards trans people as being men. It makes it a little difficult for virtue signalling mansplainers to talk over her, I think? Anyway, we had a nice chat on my feed agreeing that the current situation had grown toxic due to opportunists who really didn’t care about women or trans people.

Aside from that, a few likes from people I was rather worried about, and mostly silence, but have lost no friends as far as I can see.
Daring to feel a little positive.

I posted, had one like and nada ever since. Am hoping someone has looked into the matter a bit more cos of what I said but would have liked a few queries so that I could have explained more.

I started a new job recently and also worried about this. My Facebook profile is set to private and I'm connected with business contacts on Twitter so maybe think about a personal v public profile and you can still share but rant here on MN if you feel concerned. Freedom of speech is not what it was before social media!

Accepting the term 'cis'? http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3363768-Accepting-the-term-cis

Ah, howls thinking here

This is where the whole trans argument falls down. It relies on people accepting cis. If people can define their own gender then they can also define NOT having a gender. I don't have a gender so by their own definition of cis, I can not be cis. It's like asking someone what their religion is and refusing to accept "I'm an atheist" as the answer.

I don't believe in gender so I don't believe in cis.

Thanks sub.

I just need to sound vair vair right on.

I have little cabbage's sister problem. One friend totally on board with me. Otherwise, total silence. I am hoping that one or two looked and have thought a bit more about it.

I mentioned something on a community group and got rounded on with the TRANSPHOBE stuff. I stayed polite and put my case forward.
Many, many likes. I hope it made a few people think. I can’t be more explicit about it as the group rules don’t allow political posting unless it’s relevant to the OP (and this was extremely relevant so I was within my rights to say what I did.)

Reactived my Facebook, with a nice FPFW post.

Don’t give a fuck who blocks me, pipes up with shit. Reason why I don’t do fb as full of fake arse bullshit.

Haven’t read newsfeeds of ‘friends’ just gone in and liked FPFW posts.

It’s peaking because the consultation is drawing to a close. It will be forgotten about by most people by Monday.

It’s beginning to really annoy me now. I spoke up on one local thread last night but there’s one lone voice itching to scream ‘transphobe’.

If you are confident of your views you don’t need to worry.

I’ve woken up really angry. Mainly because of the Labour Party siding with Stonewall and promoting their consultation. I am disgusted with them for not being impartial.

I am furious that identity politics has become so fucking indulgent. Girls and women all over the world are killed, raped and kidnapped precisely because they are female. Never a whiff of concern. But a middle aged man wants to Have a go at being a woman and we must all accept him as our own. Fuck. Off.

If gender is so fucking innate where are all the middle aged women transitioning to men?

When the only recourse is to yell ‘transphobe’ they have no argument. Good for you for standing up.

Women don’t need the prefix “cis” because the word woman means what it has always meant - adult human female.

Anyone who finds this confusing just needs to open a dictionary.

I outed myself on Facebook too.

Had a few likes and shares.

One lady I used to work with was very vocally supportive.

Got some questions from a gay man I used to work with. He’s swallowed the kool aid and was talking about AMAB etc. However it was all respectful and I shared some links.

I had exactly this champagne.

I left the comment hanging and no one else liked or commented.

I have shared the guardian piece - it's drawn one person out who seems to think trans voices haven't been heard enough (whole agreeing with the piece) and uses cis a lot, and is annoyed the guardian haven't used cis.

So now I have to remember why I don't use cis. (Can any one help?!)

I've been composing replies in my head all morning! While solo parenting hence inability to remember all the cis arguments...

Ive been pretty clearon my views at work and on my personal social media etc. Brutally so in fact, not one person has disagreed with me.

I get your apprehension, but stand firm and remember, They go low, we go high.

I have recently outed myself on FB. The comments have all been in agreement with me. When I have mentioned the subject at work , again people have agreed with me and there have been many comments along the lines of that things have gone too far. A tipping point seems to be mentioning the cotton ceiling and the idea that a woman can have a penis.
TRAs do not scare me.

I am assuming that you have nothing against trans people and want them to be able to live fulfilling lives, free from discrimination. If this is the case, hold you head high and maintain your position. It is fine if people disagree without making out you're a bigot. If they suggest you are a transphobic etc. they are either misinterpreting your position or wilfully portraying you in an attempt to further their case.

This is a good talk by a Trans woman for Woman's Place: www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1459&v=FPdhIjWgKFg&fbclid=IwAR1lARjXTZZ5RDh-ze6KBwkcJGSmXPE8MXAASUPOgmwN6jNXTfQbLBD8754

@littlecabbage sounds like your friend's husband is incapable of independent thought and relies on virtue signalling for his identity. Don't let the bastards grind you down!