David Davies MP for Monmouth

I don't find it surprising that this most fundamental issue of biological sex and material reality transcends other political views.

Our loyalty should be to truth and reason, and anyway what it left and right these days is a nonsense. So many of these woke types are not left wing at all having rejected class analysis and favouring extreme individualism. They have left the usual political spectrum altogether and just inhabit insane unreason.

But seeing as I have confused David Davies MP with David Davis MP, I obviously need to catch up on who is who these days. I am fairly alarmed by David Davis, even if he was speaking out in favour of women's rights.

I wrote to Bob Neil who is my conservative M.P. Some time ago and he has not bothered to reply yet. So basically ignored me. I have no way of knowing if he is for or against women’s rights. If he keeps this stance up he will not get my vote. M.P’s need to stand up and be counted. Why should we tolerate this silence? This isn’t acceptable. You take on a job of public office and it has risks when you speak out. We know this is a given. This legislation goes through, and we know there will be victims. I take my hat off to David Davis, well done to him for his hard work in giving a voice to this issue. Shame on others who won’t stand up. We need to take a hard line on this nothing else will work. #comeoutforfemaleequality.

I'm pretty certain, OP, that David Davies is very well aware that many of his most vocal supporters on this issue would disagree with him about nearly everything else. I said as much to the woman in his constituency office when I phoned this morning to ask them to pass on a message of thanks for speaking out.

Some things transcend party politics. David Davies is well aware of this so I don't think you need to worry about him.

Very confused by the Argentinian fire bombers. What tribe are they?
Surely not affiliated to any Monmouth-based gender critical arsonists.

To be clear OP 82% of the population support the Gender Critical (GC) position and 98% of The Times readers in a current poll. So this is not an issue “owned” by radfems or religious conservatives. Most people with a modicum of common sense, understanding of science and who acknowledge the male propensity to violence and harassment of the opposite sex understand why we have sex segregation for certain activities and wish to keep it that way.

I consider myself left-wing but I bought a subscription to The Times because they also support the same POV and were the ONLY media outlet wiling to say so and write sensibly on this issue. Does that mean they’re “using me”?. Politics is not usually tidy and black and white with issues sitting in tidy piles labeled with a political party. Issues can be spread across the political spectrum. An issue as very controversial as self-ID has engaged many women politically who did not even consider themselves feminist, let alone radical feminists but we can clearly see when our hard won rights and protections are in danger.

So who is using who.

David Davies is GC so using RadFems
RadFems are GC so using David Davies

Or perhaps this is an issue that both feel strongly about and so are happy to work together and support each other. No real surprise here. Women make up 51% of the population, and come is all political hues.

What an odd thread.

I could never put my trust in anyone who gets his jollies from chasing and torturing innocent wild animals. The man is a total psychopath.

how about starting a women's equality party?

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It’s ridiculous, I wonder what these MP are going to put on their next campaign leaflet.

To be honest they have all shown their true colours. Cowards who willing to sell out women.

When this shit over, I’m counting on a new women’s political party, the men who been suspended or sacked for speaking up can apply for vacancies.

I heard yesterday that Karen Smyth mp (labour) , an MP local to me, has voiced concerns about this. If she had, she's said them bloody quietly as i've never heard them.
The tide is turning and jess phillips et al will be 'voicing their concerns' now. Now it's safe.

Oh crikey my I’m on button isn’t working, so can’t remember who I needed to thank for that link, posting it so person knows it was them i thanking. Oh dear I’ve forgotten what the numbers was now

www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

Oh ffs OP. Fuck right off.

Two very separate issues. Well done on voicing your opinion

Only idiots confuse ''being treated with equal respect'' with ''being identical in every respect.''

David Davies has been GC for some time so I don't think he is allowing himself to be used by left-wing feminists or riding any kind of wave.

I spoke with my male Conservative MP. He had a constituency meeting to attend yesterday morning but he agreed that it is not transphobic to question the proposed amendments to the GRA. He kept stressing that keeping men out of sex-specific spaces was just common sense and that we mustn't stop talking about it out of fear being called transphobic. He said he wouldn't vote for anything that took away women's rights/put them at risk. He referenced Karen White.

I am seeing this in so many of the more conservative places I go online. I use conservative in the broad sense rather than specifically Tories.

They are appalled with the whole trans ideology, but they lay the blame squarely at the feet of Feminists for all sorts of things Feminists don't actually believe - like there are no differences between men and women and so on.

Try and explain that Feminists understand there are differences, we just don't think women should be systematically disadvantaged because of those differences, and you just get confused looks because they've swallowed the modern choosey choice version of 'Feminism' and so you get silly articles like the above where 'radical feminists' are apparently campaigning for gender ideology.

What a mess.

Gosh yes what naughty women we are using the poor man while planning to run away and vote for the other team while the poor helpless Tory got played by us manipulative harpies.

God forbid women can have complex opinions and agree with individual opinions from different mps from different parties on different issues. And poor poor mp being manipulated into doing his job of representing the people he is paid to resppresent. What a poor man played by us women.

The Tory’s were responsible for the UN finding us guilty for violating the convention on the rights of people with disabilities, the first time any country has ever been found guilty of these violations. The Tory’s have implemented policies that have culled people with disabilities and when the UN spoke up the Tory’s did sweet fa. Just because some Tory mps are finally getting off their fecking arses and speaking out about the damage the bill their fellow Tory mps are championing doesn’t mean they are any less guilty of other harm or deserving of my vote.

This feels like a thread to distract from the real issues, it feels like trolling.

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It usually takes at least three pages, OP.

My MP is Luke Pollard, he's not interested in women....

I don’t live in his constituency. This is an irrelevant question for the overwhelming majority of Mumsnetters, most of us will have one of the other 649 MPs.

The most recent conservative candidate here had ‘CONSERATIVES’ on his campaign literature. Unsurprisingly the electorate wasn’t impressed.

Seems the OP might have a point, Conservative politicians are "twats" but they are useful in this toxic debate.

*MRA

You wanted totally equality, now you have it What a crock of shit! You’re ignorance is showing. Feminists want freedom from patriarchy and equality of treatment. If you don’t know the difference, it just shows what a thick NRA you are.

Oh groan! Another 'well you wanted equality, now you've got it' comment. All that David Davies stuff was just building up to that!

Oh, riiight. You're doing a "Well, Feminists, you wanted 'equality', this is what you wanted" piece of nonsense, are you? How tiresome.

"Can I just remind people that David Davies mp and David Davis mp are two separate people.
They’re both conservatives but only one is a complete twat. "

Both are twats imo.