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Is this an about-face from The Guardian?

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NopeNi · 17/10/2018 19:07

Well fuck me I wouldn't have expected to read this in the Guardian.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it still focuses on rights for transwomen and calls both sides of the debate "toxic" (of course) but it also says:

..."But misogyny too must be challenged. Gender identity does not cancel out sex. Women’s oppression by men has a physical basis, and to deny the relevance of biology when considering sexual inequality is a mistake. The struggle for women’s empowerment is ongoing. Reproductive freedoms are under threat and the #MeToo campaign faces a backlash. Women’s concerns about sharing dormitories or changing rooms with “male-bodied” people must be taken seriously. These are not just questions of safety but of dignity and fairness."

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/the-guardian-view-on-the-gender-recognition-act-where-rights-collide

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OvaHere · 17/10/2018 21:29

That was my prediction Toe on a thread a couple of days ago. Last minute attempt to say they always represented both sides.

As soon as Friday is over it will probably business as usual. I'm expecting a massive LOJ piece.

ToeToToe · 17/10/2018 21:26

This is so they can say they were fair all along.

Isn't it?

Yes.

And yes, it does feel like 1984.

OvaHere · 17/10/2018 21:21

Quite Red

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 21:21

Keep up. This is 1984.

We are living it.

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 21:20

But the Guardian has their loyal foot soldier LOJ. How can they say that?

We have always been at war with EastAsia

OvaHere · 17/10/2018 21:18

others say the Guardian has a terrible record with trans rights.

But the Guardian has their loyal foot soldier LOJ. How can they say that?

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 21:01

hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2018-10-17/debates/E6F1FE28-73F1-47A3-8276-40FEB920DF31/ChildrenGenderDysphoria

Look at this today too. From the Lords on child gender dysphoria

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 17/10/2018 21:00

I just had a look on Twitter and Natacha Kennedy is arguing that trans voices are being silenced and excluded from the debate and others say the Guardian has a terrible record with trans rights.

Is this some other Guardian? Because the one I'm familiar with is misogyny central.

And this comment piece, yes, too little, too late. They've actively allowed their columnists to stir up a horribly hostile situation for women. To come out now with this exercise in feigned reason just smacks of a panic as they realise the damage to their bottom line as more and more people figure out what is really happening.

ElectricMonkey · 17/10/2018 20:59

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 17/10/2018 20:57

Stitch-up seems pretty plausible. That's more-or-less what happened in Canada isn't it, feminist groups thought they'd turned the tide and then the fuckers brought it in anyway?

SPOFS · 17/10/2018 20:53

Interesting that this was on the same night as the Pink Awards too...

BigotedWoman · 17/10/2018 20:50

mobile.twitter.com/natachakennedy/status/1052451656644915201

I mean it's a bit hypocritical claiming to be excluded when NK tried to hound women out of their jobs, but I guess that's the TRA way.

Apologies heresy, off to the gulag for me.

NotMeOhNo · 17/10/2018 20:44

Some twitter links please!

heresyandwitchcraft · 17/10/2018 20:44

Do these people live in a parallel universe?!

Didn't you know there are as many universes as there are genders? An infinite number, each one as valid as the next.

LangCleg · 17/10/2018 20:43

I just had a look on Twitter and Natacha Kennedy is arguing that trans voices are being silenced and excluded from the debate and others say the Guardian has a terrible record with trans rights.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

LangCleg · 17/10/2018 20:43

We are all about to get stitched up royally or there's a real sea change.

I don't know which

I wonder if it is beginning to dawn on the Grauniad that, whatever the outcome of the consultation, we are not going to stop? And that Labour is not going to win a general election while its front bench is completely pomo-addled? Think of the Shon Faye histrionics earlier - the sudden realisation that the post-industrial heartlands - the very votes Labour will need - are not going to buy it. Oh my god, they're telling the plebs about this! Panic stations! suddenly looks very transparent, does it not?

BigotedWoman · 17/10/2018 20:41

I just had a look on Twitter and Natacha Kennedy is arguing that trans voices are being silenced and excluded from the debate and others say the Guardian has a terrible record with trans rights.

Do these people live in a parallel universe?!

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 20:33

Stonewall drop their acceptance without exception line and stick a dodgy ad in the newspapers which isn't as approved as it might look on the surface which involves a bunch of powerful organisations, there's a meeting in the HoC where MPs are too scared to admit going to it and Theresa May does a penis news speech.

We are all about to get stitched up royally or there's a real sea change.

I don't know which.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 17/10/2018 20:31

I’m afraid it’s too late to win me back as a reader. They have let misogyny reign and demonstrated that they don’t actually give a shit about women and girls’ safety if it means saying no to or upsetting some men.

Seafoodeatit · 17/10/2018 20:30

Sex segregated* stupid phone!

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 17/10/2018 20:29

True RedToothBrush Sad

Seafoodeatit · 17/10/2018 20:29

Something*

Seafoodeatit · 17/10/2018 20:29

Too little too late. Also sick of reading it's activists Vs feminists. This is some that effects all females, it's TRA's vs sex as a protected category and sex defeated spaces.

Lottapianos · 17/10/2018 20:26

'I wonder why they've done it. What's happened. '

That's what I'm wondering too

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 20:24

They’re going to have a pretty busy time whitewashing their past if that’s the case.

Why?

Newspapers have done it for years and got away with it. Why shouldn't t the Guardian?

Too many people have short memories. Give it a few weeks and half the woke will be saying this is what they believed all along.

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