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Women should just train harder

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FairfaxAikman · 17/10/2018 10:52

Peak WokeBro stupidity.

Debating the trans issue on FB and a friend of a friend says the biomechanical differences between men and women should be disregarded on the sports field because women are always saying they can do anything a man can so we should just train harder.

The stupid actually burns with this one.

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BettyDuMonde · 17/10/2018 16:57

Yeah, tell Serena Williams to just ‘train harder’ and play with the lads.

That’ll work.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.firstpost.com/sports/serena-williams-would-rank-700-in-the-mens-game-says-john-mcenroe-3745691.html/amp

www.espn.co.uk/tennis/story/_/id/19747505/tennis-world-no-701-dmitry-tursunov-weighs-john-mcenroe-serena-williams-controversy

I don’t even particularly like sport but this latest cycling shitshow has incensed me!

OlennasWimple · 17/10/2018 16:06

Is everyone still honing their "walking under a low beam" skills, as previously suggested on here? Wink

I'd agree to a point that there are other factors beyond physical differences, in that women and girls are socialised to not take up space (look at school play grounds, and you frequently observe the boys playing football in the middle and the girls playing and chatting around the edges, for example) and to be nice (being very competive and wanting to win is often seen as "unfeminine")

But let's be honest, when all of these things are taken out of consideration - such as with the Williams sisters, who were primed from childhood to be champions - women are still weaker / slower / smaller as a group than men

shearwater · 17/10/2018 15:41

Women are very good at endurance. We have to endure men coming out with this sort of crap, for one thing.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/10/2018 15:13

What is interesting is that organised sports test the very things men do well at. It is entirely possible to have sports that test other things. Some First Nations' and Inuit games test things like balance, pain endurance and so on. Short, chubby women do better with food shortages, including starvation. Cold tolerance is another interesting thing. Shit, multi-tasking and social problem solving! All of which could be useful in the military, just saying.

But most Olympic sports test strength, visuospatial awareness and speed, which men score much higher in. Then men want to argue that they have no advantage at the things they invented to test their advantage.

donquixotedelamancha · 17/10/2018 14:52

Train harder, speak softer, smile more, cook n clean more, exist less.... anything else?

Could you just show a little more boob please? .....no, not that much, are you some sort of slut?

shearwater · 17/10/2018 14:43

I always point out to the male slobs (usually) who make such comments, that while on average men have more physical strength and are bigger and stronger, that there are plenty of women who could beat him at running/lifting/throwing/whatever.

Igneococcus · 17/10/2018 14:39

Makes you wonder why a men's Volleyball net is 19 cm higher than a women's one if women could just train more and play a the same height.

WonderFluid · 17/10/2018 14:12

It's just a baby step from what your friend of a friend said to the barely concealed glee we are seeing now from some men at the negative impacts on women of losing single sex spaces, because feminists 'asked for it' and are now apparently getting exactly what they deserve.

Feminisms support of the LGBTXYZ_!+ movement was a strategic howler along the 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' line. Rather than crying about it the feminist movement would be better off ditching their false ally. But that will require RadFem lesbians to put the feminist cause before their own LGBT self interests, which is unlikely to happen, given they couldn't manage it first time round.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/10/2018 14:10

Caroline

Grin
WonderFluid · 17/10/2018 13:55

Not to worry - no one takes this post seriously.

In this forum? No, possibly not. That's the problem with highlighting some feminists paradoxical demands; they don't formulate those demands based on logic, so pointing out a logical flaw in their argument is met with sarcasm, non sequiturs, insults, specious analogies to female fighter pilots and so on.

NoNewsisGood · 17/10/2018 13:49

@hackmum Love it. And so true

MagicMix · 17/10/2018 13:49

It's just a baby step from what your friend of a friend said to the barely concealed glee we are seeing now from some men at the negative impacts on women of losing single sex spaces, because feminists 'asked for it' and are now apparently getting exactly what they deserve.

Jaxhog · 17/10/2018 13:49

WokeBro 2 believes transwomen "often" have testosterone levels below that of"cis women"

Of course they do (!). Presumably, this is is why the limit is somewhat higher than 'cis' women athlete's average? And why female athletes are not allowedjust up their testosterone during training to build their muscles, as long as it's stopped for the race?

Jaxhog · 17/10/2018 13:45

Men always say they can't get pregnant. They're not trying hard enough. Fools.

Quite.

MagicMix · 17/10/2018 13:43

That's a classic MRA line. Hur hur women wanted equality so I should be able to thrash them at sport or punch them in the face just like I would a man - no special treatment hur hur. Some men are itching to return to a world where might makes right and they can use their physical strength to keep women in their place without any kind of censure.

Which is why it is so very important that feminism is about the liberation of women, not equality per se (although liberation usually leads to equality). As someone who came through liberal feminism, it took me a long time to see this but the difference is key.

PlinkPlink · 17/10/2018 13:38

I haven't quite joined in on the trans stuff yet. Looking for an in point and this might be it.

Whenever I see this it really makes me a bit angry.

The differences between men and women physically are so vast. I love that huge quote from Dr. Fond of Beetles.

Why can't there be a separate category for competing? I don't understand it.

CarolinePooter · 17/10/2018 13:36

Rufus I like fuckwots, just a step to fuckwokes xx

UpstartCrow · 17/10/2018 13:33

Disabled people are familiar with the 'you just need to try harder' crowd.

Freespeecher · 17/10/2018 13:31

Leaving aside WFs parting shot, there is a point there about women serving as front line infantry.

Women have served (and died) in the armed forces but the physical disparities surely mean it's unreasonable to expect them to serve in every role.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 17/10/2018 12:52

Yet many feminists will disregard these physical realities when it comes the subject of women serving in combat infantry roles. The closest they come to acknowledging this cognitive dissonance is when 'WokeBros' tell them to train harder (in a sport context); "That's a ridiculous suggestion. Why are some men this stupid?".

Then they wonder why so few take them seriously.

Not to worry - no one takes this post seriously.

AngryAttackKittens · 17/10/2018 12:19

Will training harder make me over a foot taller and give me shoulders like Hannah Mouncey?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/10/2018 12:18

Fuckwits obviously

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/10/2018 12:17

What a blithering idiot

It surprises me that fuckwots like that reach adulthood, surely Darwins law would have kicked in by now

WonderFluid · 17/10/2018 12:13

Yet many feminists will disregard these physical realities when it comes the subject of women serving in combat infantry roles. The closest they come to acknowledging this cognitive dissonance is when 'WokeBros' tell them to train harder (in a sport context); "That's a ridiculous suggestion. Why are some men this stupid?".

Then they wonder why so few take them seriously.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 17/10/2018 11:54

Reducing testosterone doesn't change their bigger lung capacity, arm spam, thigh bone length, VO2 Max, their narrower pelvis, their centre of gravity, their bigger hands and feet, make them shorter (or change their skeleton in any way).

Nor does lowering their testosterone atrophy down a transwoman's muscles to what the "equivalent" female would have.

His post is ignorant bullshit.

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