Stephen Whittle (Press for Change) irresponsible use of 'likely' suicides follows Helen Belcher's (Trans Media Watch)

Steven's motivation for the GRA was so he could marry a woman and adopt her children Both these are open to same sex couples now so why is it still needed legally ?

I think Whittle really wants to stay below the radar which is why Whittle's name isn't down as one of the members of the Stonewall trans advisory board. I do wonder who they are - I think there are about 3 who aren't named. Whittle is pretty much certain to be one.

Does anyone remember the rage and vengeance driving Whittle to do whatever can be legally won in the 'Girlguiding' thread and fuck the consequences for women and children?

Also - has anyone read Whittle's pomo drivel that beats people into submission by throwing so much word salad at them they go into a defensive coma?

penny

Its almost harder when the little devils keep it so quiet and finally spill to a doctor or in one of my childrens cases a psychiatrist

Ive been so frightened with my eldest that even as a small child i would find him dead and he is 19 and at uni and having a ball now

Although he did tell the dr something id said to him in a misguided attempt to lighten the mood once ...he thought it was funny when i first said it but i dont think the doctor thought it was funny...at all!!

You obviously had a much harder time of it, it must have been dreadful for you all

That’s actually the really sinister bit. That Stephen is using gravitas to threaten suicides to coerce.
Creepy as fuck.

Stephen Whittle spoke well enough about his contributions to legal reform (some might judiciously have called it ‘bragging’) on here using his own name. Alongside a delightful reminisce about getting shagged by a Boy Scout in guide camp, and telling parents they were being ridiculously over-protective for wanting to be informed that their teenager dd was going to be sleeping in a tent with a teenage boy. Just give them condoms and let them have at it. Accept it.
Stephen is immeasurably proud of his ability to influence government policy. And fully intends to keep on doing it. He was extremely keen that we recognized the next reform would be passed too - because Stephen is jolly clever and influential and is now behold a man - so the little wims worried about sex segregation were poor benighted souls stuck in the past and needed to get over themselves. Don’t worry - Stephen will personally ensure that the reforms are made to enshrine the rights of gender ideology over the pesky sex business that Stephen did away with so long ago (after thoroughly enjoying his teenage deflowering).
Press for Change indeed. The quiet force that will coerce legislation if Stephen has anything to do with it.
I’m sure Stephen is right pissed off at the less strategic members of the community banging their gums and dissing women. There are much more effective ways to get what you want after all. And what’s a little threat of suicide between friends if it’s made by a strong legal mind?

"It is not a medical condition or mental illness but it causes suicidal ideation at the drop of a hat"

Its a bunch of contradictions.

"A small change in admin that makes no real difference to anyone, but 'causes' suicides if it doesn't happen."

"A law change that was groundbreaking, forever changing the lives of transpeople for the better, that is 'outdated', causing misery and suicide for transpeople and is no longer fit for purpose 14 years later."

"Nobody needs to make medical/surgical changes to be trans - but your kids need to be pushed down that pathway without your knowlege if you don't support it, or they'll be suicidal."

etc..

Also we were told so many times that nothing we say would push her to hurting herself. That the issue is far more complex. We were paranoid about saying or doing the wrong thing.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

Thank you too. It was like waking up in a nightmare you can’t get out of. I could not imagine ever using that experience to manipulate others to get what I want.

I don't understand how transactivists can push this narrative whilst simultaneously campaigning for the demedicalisation of trans.

Anybody who becomes suicidal when prevented from carrying out a 'simple administrative task' is in desperate need of psychiatric support.

Why would they then want to remove psychiatric input from GRC gatekeeping?? If they truly believe that half of trans people are so mentally unwell this would seem irresponsible.

such a flippant comment - a flurry of suicides

I know. Its not fucking snowfall.

'Sides

I think Mr Whittle has been on threads here before so probably doesnt feel that he needs to make up a name to post on here

Probably too busy

penny

I dont have an autistic child but i do have a child who thought about suicide, no help from the NHS at all (lack of funds rather than a lack of desire to help)

And from what the doctor said its not the ones who announce it that are the most likely to suffer...so i agree with you

hat there's some sort of campaign here against him

Im not sure he is interesting enough for that

I don't thnk FWR does campaigns against people...more nestle

What a dangerous comment. I cannot believe the Guardian quoted it. They need to edit that article.

Thank you. I went a bit ranty there but truly, the shock and panic still hasn’t left me.

pennydrew

Indeed. As a teacher I have heard some heartbreaking stuff out of the mouths of autistic children who aren't getting the help they need, even after diagnosis

I just can’t believe the lack of care and support available for autistic people. I can’t even put it all into words. The utter hell we went through without a single shred of support. I had a badly scarred and suicidal child and nobody did a fucking thing. Even Samaritans told me to go to A & E. Ummm hello? Can we get counselling? A mentor? A fucking doctor willing to insist she is seen immediately by CAMHS. Can we as parents have someone to talk to? No, here’s a leaflet and some links. I mean, fuck. Nobody does shit for us and somehow we have to all drop everything and give in to these unreasonable demands?! Or they’ll kill themselves? It’s such an outrage I can’t even....

I’m genuinely baffled how anyone can possibly defend Whittle’s statement, which, whether deliberately or not, reads like an incitement to suicide.

It was either deliberate, or desperate.

You’re right OldCrone. Just an inconsequential bit of paperwork, I’ve been told.

But a delay in getting this piece of paper is going to result in a “flurry” of suicides.

Yet more desperate, disingenuous, manipulative and damaging translogic.

Yes good point OldCrone

They are. And yet we still wait years for a diagnosis in order to get support. A lengthy, intrusive and difficult diagnostic process

Indeed. As a teacher I have heard some heartbreaking stuff out of the mouths of autistic children who aren't getting the help they need, even after diagnosis.

Where are their Guardian columns about 'flurries of suicides'?

And yet, apparently, the proposed reforms are 'just a minor bit of admin', that won't make any difference to anyone. Women are apparently getting worried about something so trivial that will have very little effect on women's lives or transgender people's lives. Why would anyone kill themselves over something so trivial?

That's an excellent point, OldCrone. If this reform is such a small tweak, why are they so distressed about the possibility of it not happening?

Whittle thinks the “flurry” of suicides will be brought on by a delay in reform.

And yet, apparently, the proposed reforms are 'just a minor bit of admin',

Well quite. Next time Jane Fae tells women it's just admin, perhaps we can refer them to Whittle, and they can argue it out between themselves.

#translogic

This is exactly the problem - so many poor uninformed people believing what they read and not doing any grown up fact checking.

Yeah, it's not about being uninformed. It's about lying.