Guardian article on MPs concern with GRA

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The article still hasn't been changed online. Stephen wrote to them last night to ask it to be changed.

Presumably The Guardian are under no obligation to amend their article.

I'm pleasantly surprised. This is important. Too many people are putting vulnerable people - especially teenagers - at risk by spreading Mermaids' and Stonewall's suicide propaganda.

I hope the Guardian and others who have previously quoted this unreliable propaganda without question, take note and start thinking about the words that have been put into their mouths by these lobbying groups who have a questionable relationship with the truth or best practice.

Thank you Stephen, for doing the decent thing, and doing what Mermaids and Stonewall seem unable to.

Why do Mermaids and Stonewall keep pushing this line when they know full well about guidance from suicide charities like the Samaritans? I am at a loss to find an answer for that, do you know? It's not as if they haven't had their attention brought to it countless times. It's unforgivable IMO.

Thank you Stephen, for sending that letter and updating us here.

Thank you for taking on board the criticism about the suicide comment and writing to the Guardian

Thank you for sending the letter, Stephen.

Stephen
I am pleased to see that you have got in touch with the Guardian to amend the article, although I just checked it and they have yet to make any amendments to it.

Could you answer some questions I asked you earlier in the thread?

The proposed changes to the GRA are portrayed by transgender activists as being minor administrative changes which will have no great effect on anyone, trans or not. Why would a failure to get these passed cause anyone to become depressed? If they are such minor changes, why such vigorous campaigns to get them into law?

There is a clear danger to women and girls if it is made easier to get a GRC, which you can hardly be unaware of. If a law is to be passed which has such appalling potential for abuse, there must be a significant benefit to another group. What is the benefit of self-id to genuine transgender people which is so great that you believe the potential danger to women and girls should be overlooked?

Thanks for doing that Stephen. Can I also draw your attention to this comment you made

The law is clear, if a man applies for gender recognition in order to commit crime, it would be fraudulent and will be quashed by the courts,

The newspapers yesterday reported the case of a father of seven 'Ms Jay' Who was a 41-year-old criminal and has been married three times.

"He said in 2011 she had been convicted of obtaining explosives with intent to endanger life and given an eight-year jail term."

They have been given a gender recognition certificate, despite getting married as a man, during the period they now claim they were 'living as a woman'.

The gender recognition panel declined times times to support the application taking into account the doctors report that said Ms Jay's version of their history was directly odds with documentary records. Ms Jay's doctor said he had seen no evidence of gender identity disturbance until 'very recently'.

Ms Jay also failed to admit she had been married three times, as a man.

Nonetheless Lord Justice Baker has overturned the decision and issued Ms Jay with a certificate. Ms J is now legally a woman.

Given this case, I would be very interested to know exactly what criteria you would deem necessary to assume a fraudulent declaration.

I'd also like you to acknowledge the rising tide of men who conform to male pattern violence, but are determined to identify as women. And how that impacts women. In prison, and in their intimate spaces.

The wilful disregard of how women are disadvantaged by men's, ultimately, superior strength, is difficult to believe.

I'd like you to tell me how my six-year-old daughter can confront a semi naked man determined to access her changing room, who has been convicted of making bombs.

Or convicted of paedophilia, or convicted of rape, or convicted of sexual assault, or convicted of voyeurism, or convicted of indecent exposure.

Oh wait, the crimes of indecent exposure and voyeurism have ceased to exist.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6281853/amp/Father-seven-convict-gender-change-recognised-High-Court.html

Thank you, Stephen.

It is a hugely important thing.

You'll perhaps realise the basis for the very serious concerns that many women here have for drama 'Butterfly' and its likely impact on vulnerable children and young people?

Lisa Muggeridge (Social Worker)

Stephen Perhaps having reflected and taken on board the reasons for the Samaritan's guidance you will read the article by Prof. Michael Biggs which I commended to you previously on this thread.

The concerns here are not 'anti-trans' they are for child protection and safeguarding vulnerable children:

(extract)
"I want a happy daughter, not a dead son’, proclaims Anna Friel in the new ITV drama Butterfly. This line required no creativity from the scriptwriter, as it is a constant refrain in interviews with parents. ‘I’d rather have a live daughter than a dead son.’ ‘We prefer to have a living son than a dead daughter’. ‘Our only choice was to have a dead son or a living daughter.’ ‘I’d rather have a living son than a dead daughter’. ‘Do you want a happy little girl or a dead little boy?’ ‘My wife and I decided that we would much rather have a happy, healthy daughter than a dead son.’

ITV’s drama was heavily influenced by Mermaids, the British organization invested in the transgendering of children. According to its chief executive, Susie Green:

‘I have my daughter, whole and alive, but if I had refused to listen then it’s very likely that I would have a dead son.’

Like other transgendering advocates, she never shies from raising the spectre of suicide:

(see screen shot)

Her tweet implies that four trans-identified youths committed suicide last year, though the language is ambiguous and does not specify age.

Another mother associated with Mermaids announced two trans teenage suicides in under a week:

When transgendering organizations cite evidence on suicide, it almost invariably comes from surveys that recruit respondents haphazardly—without random sampling from a defined population—and ask them whether they have ever attempted to commit suicide. These surveys have been scrutinized in two earlier posts, and also on 4thwavenow. One problem is that trans-identified respondents might be primed to respond affirmatively to such questions by the continual emphasis on suicide in transgenderist discourse. Toby Sinbad Walker, for example, suggests that trans-identified females will kill themselves if they have to wait for breast amputations (continues)

concludes:
"Whether the higher rate of suicide among trans-identified teens is due to gender dysphoria or to co-incident conditions such as autism deserves urgent research. At the same time, we must realize that suicides of trans-identified children are rare tragedies and not—as transgendering organizations like Mermaids imply—a common occurrence. Rational and compassionate policy-making cannot be driven by the threat of suicide."
www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

They also have an editorial

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/the-guardian-view-on-the-gender-recognition-act-where-rights-collide

Sorry if posted earlier

Thank you Stephen.

Please could you have a word with your mate Christine and other signatories of this letter that also pushes the suicide narrative?

Thank you Stephen

Jane Fae - blaming the women again.

& Helen Belcher (TransMedia Watch)

This is especially urgent. I am shocked that an organisation so involved with media is not aware of Samaritan's Media Guidlines.

Perhaps you could also alert Jane Fae to the guidance?

Yes, Stephen, could you please alert Jane Fae that the people who are trying to protect gender-questioning children from suicide contagion are the women on Mumsnet. The people risking it are transactivists. That tweet from Jane is an outrageous reversal of what's actually happening.

Perhaps you could also alert Jane Fae to the guidance?

Thank you for doing that and for updating here.

Thank you Stephen.

The more stuff like that is done, the better this will get for everyone.

I'm sure of it.

Thank you for posting that, Stephen.

Thank you Stephen I wonder if you could as an urgent priority speak with Susie Green CEO of Mermaids (a charity supporting vunerable children, young people and their families) as she also seems unaware of the guidance.
I trust you will appreciate how important this is in order to safeguard.

I am pleased that you’ve done that Stephen. I am still not happy that yourself or The Guardian were so careless in the first place, but if they make the amendments it’s better than leaving them there.

Thank you, Stephen.

Could we rely on you to use your influence to end this very common and highly irresponsible practice among your fellow activists?