So what rights do transpeople think they don’t have?

230 replies to the OP. Has anyone worked out what rights transpeople don't have yet?

Interesting reading the Hansard thread linked to. Basically, a bunch of homophobes didn't want same-sex marriage to be legalised so they came up with the GRA instead???

So there's no need for it now, and it should be repealed.

Just realised that there was a typo in my post earlier. Should have said
Why should the process not be medicalised? If being trans is not a medical condition, then isn't it just a lifestyle choice or an aspect of personality? Like being a goth or something.

My logical extension, I don’t have the full scope of my rights because no-one is funding my wheelchair and I need a wheelchair because I self-define as disabled. It’s a feeling. I can’t qualify it. I have no intention of breaking my legs because it’s not about my body, it’s about my essence. I just feel like my legs don’t work. So, wheelchair please.

just getting that source for you, Dad. I didn't realise that hate crime was defined, and that definition sounds highly subjective (which is why I'm pretty dubious about hate crime in general), but transgender definitely isn't so the stat is still meaningless.

Interesting reading the Hansard thread linked to. Basically, a bunch of homophobes didn't want same-sex marriage to be legalised so they came up with the GRA instead???

Did you quote the wrong post, DadJoke? You quoted my post but didn't answer any of my questions.

What should the process not be medicalised, DadJoke? Do you think 'being trans' is a medical condition? Or is it just a lifestyle choice? Or something else?

And woman is not a 'gender' it means 'adult female human'. A male person (man) cannot be a woman.

What should the process not be medicalised, DadJoke? Do you think 'being trans' is a medical condition? Or is it just a lifestyle choice? Or something else?

As you ask, my view is that transwomen are male (sex) but women (gender). That makes me horribly transphobic according to TRAs and a misogynist according to GC feminists. The conflation of sex and gender in the 2004 Act and in this one are, I believe, potentially damaging to females, and segregation by sex is sometimes necessary.

Gender identity is actually pretty straight forward. If you answer the question "Are you a woman?" yes, and you have XY chromosomes, you are a transwoman, otherwise you are not (with the very rare exception of intersex people who seem to be co-opted by both sides.)

You can see an internationally recognised defintion of gender identity here. Its broadly the same for the NHS and other national and internaltional bodies.

Misgendering isn't a hate incident. Really, it's not. It might, in some circumstances, be impolite or unkind, but it is not a hate incident

That's just how it's recorded by the home office, which was what I was asked. I don't agree, but just how it is recorded. Like you, I think it's just impolite.

ohello I am not trans. However, I am told that speculating about people's sexuality, ethnic origin or other protected characteristic is at the very least rude, for example a homphobe asking someone if they are a gay.

oooh, I had my last comment in this thread deleted at my own request, but it doesn't say that, I hope that isn't counting as a "strike".

And I only wanted it deleted cos I swore a lot not because I was rude to anyone. It was extremely triggering to my ptsd to hear the opinion that OTHER people had the right to give away my sexual boundaries.

But I finally figured out that DadJoke must be trans...

Misgendering isn't a hate incident. Really, it's not. It might, in some circumstances, be impolite or unkind, but it is not a hate incident.

The rights transwomen want are to be recognised as women in law straightforwardly without the process being medicalised,

What should the process not be medicalised, DadJoke? Do you think 'being trans' is a medical condition? Or is it just a lifestyle choice? Or something else?

Why do we always get mansplainers on threads about feminism? How can you be a regular on here and not realize that it is rude to mansplain?

I believe him, when he writes he can't see a problem with men in female spaces., because here he is mansplaining and manspreading by writing more posts than most other posters.

If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.

The rights transwomen want are to be recognised as women

The problem with this is that they aren’t actually women.

The 2004 act was a work around to enable marriage and pension rights. It wasn’t to perform miracles.

RiverTam Hate crimes are clearly defined by the home office. A hate incident (misgendering for example) is not necessarily a crime. Any criminal offence can be a hate crime if it was carried out because of hostility or prejudice based on disability, race, religion, transgender identity or sexual orientation. Please provide references for your statistics.

The rights transwomen want are to be recognised as women in law straightforwardly without the process being medicalised, through a legal declaration. They don't want spouses from whom they have separated to be able to delay the process. This is a statement of fact, not a statement of support or rejection.

Going back to the topic subject, now over 24 hours since I asked someone (anyone) on the LP's twitter thread advising to follow Stonewall's consultancy guidance what rights trans people don't already have.

Lots of other people asked the same question. Not a single response yet. Not one......

at ohelo’s assumptions about me just because some of my friends are trans! FWIW my friends are a diverse bunch and include quite a few rad fems. I’ve always said that self-ID is potentially problematic and totally understand that there are some spaces (such as DV shelters) where male-bodied people might make others uncomfortable. I find the false dichotomy fascinating. I believe that the patriarchy harms not only women but also other people who don’t fall into patriarchal norms including people who are trans.
Interestingly the trans people and rad fems I know IRL are all capable of having a reasonable conversation about the issues. There’s something about the internet that seems to turn people more unpleasant I think.

That's the thing. I actually have tremendous sympathy with genuine victims of trans phobic hate crime, and I know this does exist..BUT who is perpetuating it? Is it women? Probably not. It is not the job of all women and girls to protect men from other men at the expense of OUR safety.

Strangely nobody suggests that people who suffer hate crimes for other reasons need to share women’s facilities.

2% when the transgender population is tiny is a huge figure.

But not anything to do with women.

Karen White was fond of reporting his elderly neighbours for the "hate crime" of misgendering wasn't he?

but meaningless when you don't know what is meant by transgender or indeed what constitutes a hate crime and meaningless as a comparison with the violence and sexual violence women experience every day. 2 women a day killed by men, pretty sure those men hated those women but no stats for that. Whereas a man claiming to be a woman is more likely to be a murderer than to be murdered.

Sorry about the @ thing, RiverTam

2% when the transgender population is tiny is a huge figure.

You never see people like Penguin in trans forums, sweetly crooning endlessly to transgender people about how real women deserve the right to discuss our concerns without being systematically silenced, and to have our sexual boundaries respected. Sorry Penguin, your comments just read as "Hello ladies, my men friends need you to shut up now and center their ladybrain".

This is just the Lite version of the same old transgender "good cop/bad cop" routine where women are supposed to police ourselves merely because the transsexuals are sad, so the rougher trans don't have to show us who is boss. I'm tired of it. Go tell your transsexual friends that all this time they've been silent and not speaking up in defense of women-only space, they've kinda lost their opportunity to be seen as innocents caught in the middle.

I agree that men have limited ability to identify with the reasons that women sometimes need spaces that exclude men.

However, they should be able to comment on AWS. Specifically if I were a man I would be wondering why all the reasons used to justify AWS can be thrown out the window if the right kind of man wants to be included on one. Anyone should be able to comment on a policy that defies logic.