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We've been lied to about 'Single SEX' wards since 2010.

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Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:06

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

They were ALWAYS based upon 'gender'.
The evidence is in NHS documents from 2010.
And the Department of Health were told, by the NHS team, not to tell people wards were segregated by sex, because they knew the policy was based on gender.

But the DOH purposefully used the word sex to the public instead.

We've been deliberately misled.

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Datun · 17/10/2018 01:25

Are men frightened of transwomen?

FadingMint · 17/10/2018 01:16

"Woman" is a performance.

Fuck that shit. Spit.

Datun · 17/10/2018 01:14

WHY?????

ProfessionalBarren · 17/10/2018 01:08

Trans people should be accommodated according to their presentation: the way they dress,and the name and pronouns that they currently use. And this is all we are to the woke pricks who make these policies: being a woman is just about a name and an outfit. Fuck that.

Materialist · 17/10/2018 01:08

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Barracker · 17/10/2018 00:57

I'm not sure that minority is really so teeny tiny any more...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/04/nearly-two-million-britons-expected-question-gender-health-boss/

And the NHS policy is for self-ID people.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/200215/CNO_note_dh_098893.pdf

Trans people should be accommodated according to their presentation: the way they dress,and the name and pronouns that they currently use.
• This may not always accord with the physical sex appearance of the chest or genitalia;
• It does not depend upon their having a gender recognition certificate (GRC) or legal name change;
who live continuously or temporarily in the gender role that is opposite to their natal sex

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flourella · 17/10/2018 00:29

I've looked into the relevant policies of several NHS Trusts, so know that in some places at least, people get to be accommodated on the ward that takes their fancy if they only say the magic words. But it is shocking to know that the NHS and politicians have been so duplicitous in implementing a nationwide policy.

Oh, we're going to assure the public that we're doing this important thing, for the benefit of all patients, but actually we're doing something different for a teeny tiny minority and fuck any issues around safeguarding and dignity.

R0wantrees · 17/10/2018 00:07

How long has Tara Hewitt been so involved with NHS?
James Kirkup Spectator:
"What explains the disproportionate number of girls (child ‘assigned female at birth’, to use the approved term) who are starting a journey that can lead to hormone treatment, then binding and ultimately removing their breasts? Is it possible that this is simply part of a wider crisis of mental health among girls?

I don’t know, and neither do the doctors and scientists who study this issue. If you talk to the clinicians at the Tavistock Clinic in London, the NHS centre for the treatment of gender-variant children, they’ll tell you that all the factors I mentioned may be at work, but the evidence base is still incomplete, that they need more time and data before offering explanations. (They’ll also tell you that quite a lot of the children referred to them as transgender will in time desist – although this is not a term the clinic would use – and decide to live in their original gender.)

The government now intends to commission research into all this. You might think that sounds sensible and mundane. You would be wrong.

According to Tara Hewitt, founder of the Trans Equality Legal Initiative (TELI), prominent campaigner for transgender rights and an adviser to numerous public bodies including the NHS, the proposed research is ‘absurd and offensive’. The project should be ‘dropped in the bin — it’s simply not an inquiry that needs to happen,’ Hewitt reckons.

This is the quintessential trans-rights response to scrutiny: even looking for facts about children’s welfare is transphobic. Just accept that trans girls are girls and trans women are women. End of debate." (continues)
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/trans-rights-have-gone-wrong/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 17/10/2018 00:02

Bloody hell ShockAngry

R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 23:47

To be absolutely crystal clear - there is no possible way that the NHS didn't know that this would increase the rate at which female patients were sexually assaulted, and they did it anyway. Why, and who made that decision? The public deserve answers

2017 'Mixed-sex wards endanger and humiliate women'
Catherine Bennett
(extract)
Accusations of shiftiness are more quickly forgotten, after all, than are reversals on this scale. The unacceptability of mixed-sex wards has been a cherished theme for every opposition since Tony Blair alighted, in 1996, on what is still, universally, agreed to be a valid cause of public upset.

Mixed wards, he said “cause indignity, upset people”. Subsequent studies, including a 2008 examination of nurse and patient perspectives, confirmed he had not exaggerated. There were patients, it confirmed, of both sexes and of varied ages, who “experienced a lack of privacy, worried about bodily exposure and felt uncomfortable”. Nurses entirely sympathised. “Mixed-sex accommodation,” it concluded, “is an unacceptable solution to bed shortages.”

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Moreover, investigations showed, objections go far beyond the allegedly trivial ones, according to more disinhibited patients, of commodes, Carry On! gowns, proximity to men who might resemble, to pick one or two names at random, the Pimlico Plumber and twat-detector Charlie Mullins or the BBC star and famed beauty connoisseur, John Inverdale.

Patients and their relatives attested to intrusion, exhibitionism and leering from nearby beds, even with staff around. In 2009, Channel 4 discovered that almost two-thirds of sexual assaults by patients in hospitals (21 out of 33 in 2007/8), occurred in mixed-sex wards. Variations on Blair’s question to an evasive John Major – “Is it beyond the collective wit of the government and the health administrators to deal with that problem?” – was a reliable line in opposition outrage until Jeremy Hunt declared in 2014 that this indignity was “nearly”, or “virtually”, history.

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Regulations introduced by the coalition government in 2010 compelled hospital trusts to report their figures for mixed-ward occupation, then fined them £250 per night for breaches. “We want to see the end of mixed-sex wards,” Nick Clegg said. “Everybody knows this has got to end.” As recently as his 2015 conference speech, a key part of Hunt’s claims to representing “the party of the NHS” was the unqualified triumph: “mixed sex wards eliminated”. The mysterious disappearance of mixed-sex elimination from the recent Tory manifesto, plus its own virtual elimination from the J Hunt repertoire, has in turn revived opposition testimonials to the distress underlying the statistics." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/30/mixed-sexed-wards-endanger-and-humiliate-women

Barracker · 16/10/2018 23:32

Documents are backed up, but always good to have further redundancy, so doesn't hurt to download or archive anything form the links in the medium article, if anyone fancies it.

Has anyone noticed that this "self-identified gender" segregation in the NHS preceded the Equality Act?

There's a 2009 paper about 'same sex wards' that states the patient's preference is paramount. Legal sex to be disregarded.

Sex Self-ID has been sneaking in the back door for a long time.

There's to be a follow up article with more information about our medical records.

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MagicMix · 16/10/2018 23:24

I have no words. This is too horrifying for words.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/10/2018 23:02

To be absolutely crystal clear - there is no possible way that the NHS didn't know that this would increase the rate at which female patients were sexually assaulted, and they did it anyway. Why, and who made that decision? The public deserve answers.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/10/2018 23:01

Is anyone in contact with Janice Turner or Andrew Gilligan? If so get this to them ASAP before anyone has time to hide the evidence.

littlbrowndog · 16/10/2018 22:58

Ffs ffs
This is sinister

What is going on and who is driving this and how have they got so much power

LangCleg · 16/10/2018 22:57

I cannot believe what I am reading.

HandsOffMyRights · 16/10/2018 22:57

Here

We've been lied to about 'Single SEX' wards since 2010.
BeUpStanding · 16/10/2018 22:57

OMG!!! This is HUGE! Surely this has to be the thing that finally blows the cover off the issue?

HandsOffMyRights · 16/10/2018 22:56

This was in my local paper recently. I remember thinking, that's a lot of assaults and kept the piece.

We've been lied to about 'Single SEX' wards since 2010.
Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:45

your ladybrain snizzer

didn't you know?

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HawkeyeInConfusion · 16/10/2018 22:43

Wtaf? Angry

Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:42

Here's what the NHS have to say about sex and gender:

“The term ‘Gender’ is now considered too ambiguous to be desirable or safe”

“Users may confuse the terms current gender and sex, or assume that they are synonymous”

“It is therefore desirable to use the two distinct terms ‘Sex’ and ‘Current Gender’ “

“The Current Gender input controls are used to record the gender, according to how a patient currently describes themselves, whereas the Sex input controls records their phenotypic sex”

~NHS Sex and Current Gender Input and Display User Interface Design Guidance

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Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:39

Perhaps see if Gilligan, Kirkup or Janice might pick this up.

They can fact check by looking at the documents in the links, or speaking to Anne Harper-Wright.

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Barracker · 16/10/2018 22:38

If you're on twitter, you may want to share this thread to get this out to a wider audience.

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052296768115888128

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