Hate crimes against men

Good point homestar

I was trying to write something similar but gave up and wrote the believed bit

What with crimes being misreported as female crimes and the vexatious claims i think females may be fucked

For single bias incidents, about 26% of all singly gender-motivated hate crimes in the United States in 2016 were against men.

There were seven incidents. Sounds about right. The problem is clearly that they’re not recording crimes/incidents motivated by misogyny properly. I don’t know what their criteria are but they aren’t accounting for street harassment, upskirting, revenge porn, women murdered by domestuc abusers, murders of sex workers, planting hidden cameras, or rape, to give a very non-exhaustive list of crimes/incident types which misogyny is a driving factor. I’m not making the case that all of those should be accounted for as misogynistic crimes/incidents, it would depend on the purpose of the law. But there’s a case to be made for all of them. I don’t see any such case for “misandric” hate crimes, or even understand what those might be.

I dont have a massive problem with it, but i doubt there are many instances of women attacking men just because they are men

Having said that anything which may stop casual gropes or cat calling that hapoens to both sexes that people think are just 'funny' would be good

It will also be interesting to see how long it takes before the stats even up because men are believed more than women

I think this may be another law of unintended consequences

Indeed. Men are only vulnerable when they belong to other groups - eg disabled, not because they are men.

They're only giving it consideration which is a fair and balanced approached. I fully believe misogyny should be a hate crime. Misandry no, because whilst it does exist to some extent men as a group are not vulnerable.

You know it is going to be used to silence/harass women who name men as the problem.

I don't think anyone said there should only be laws against misogyny.
I feel (hopefully speaking for most posters) that the people calling for "misandry" to be recognised as a crime are more likely to be motivated by unwillingness to recognise misogyny/General dog in a manger attitude than they are to be motivated by genuine concern for male victims.
The reason I think this is there are an awful lot of men who get very aerated about "equality" when it comes to their perception of women (e.g. family courts, DV refuges) but are unwilling to actually do anything practical about it. It makes me question their motives.
This is another example - feminists have been campaigning for a long time for this. Now there is a review, some men are whining that it isn't fair cos equality.

Mind you it might be helpful in the long run to have statistics for "misandry "

Since it's treated as a hate crime in the United States, we do have FBI statistics:

ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime
ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/tables/table-1

For single bias incidents, about 26% of all singly gender-motivated hate crimes in the United States in 2016 were against men.

For those who believe there should only be hate crime laws against misogyny, rather than sex in general, do you believe that hate crime law shouldn't offer protection to Caucasians and/or Christians?

Well, if they are foolish enough to put this on the statue books (and they probably are) they will see the most enormous spike in vexatious litigation. (That's not a "misandrist" comment, that's a mis-narcissistic-abuserist comment, because that's who'll use such legislation.)

My eyes really rolled.
Mind you it might be helpful in the long run to have statistics for "misandry ". I doubt there will be much of it.

I'm struggling with this a bit. Are men attacked purely because of their sex? Usually it's by other men, isn't it? Do they commit the hate crime because they've got a problem with themselves?
Every crime could be a hate crime surely?

Blimey

It's a bit of an attention grabbing headline. They're examining whether discrimination against women should be considered a hate crime, it makes sense that they'd also examine discrimination against men, since other hate crime laws are against particular types of characteristics rather than specific characteristics themselves. For example, treating discrimination based on race as a hate crime, rather than only discrimination against [specific race].

I've just heard the headline on the news and thought I must have misheard. Hate crimes against men? What?

On looking at the article, though, it's clear that some vocal MRAs have started yelling 'But what about the menz, sometimes people say nasty things about my willy and it hurts my feelings!' So it will be considered, but surely to god it will then be kicked into the long grass. I don't know how workable it would be to make misogyny a hate crime, but the evidence that it exists and causes women real suffering is overwhelming. Misandry, not so much.