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James Kirkup: Coffee House Even our MPs are afraid of the transgender mob

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TimeLady · 15/10/2018 13:58

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/even-our-mps-are-afraid-of-the-transgender-mob/

But the fact that MPs aren’t really talking much about the gender issue doesn’t mean they aren’t thinking about it. They are, and they’re worried.

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Charliethefeminist · 16/10/2018 08:35

One reason men don't want to get involved is the 'ick' factor. Those women who've tried to convince partners about it may have faced this. It's men who don't want to think about it at all, and are revolted by pics of other men simpering in Stepford Wives outfits. Ironically I think it's real genuine transphobia that leads some men to say trans'women' are women. It's a reaction of - just take that somewhere else, I don't want to know, I can't bear to think about it.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/10/2018 08:30

There is obviously some real power behind the TRAs.

And since he seems to read this site sometimes I have to ask - James Kirkup, do you know who/what group that real power is coming from? Because let's face it, this kind of massive social change pushed through against the will of the people is clearly not just the result of MPs wanting to support a tiny number of people in their desire to express themselves via clothing and makeup. Who benefits? Where is the money and political pressure coming from? Someone must know the answer.

Charliethefeminist · 16/10/2018 08:29

I think a lot of the fear is due to a combination of hacking and skeletons in closets

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 16/10/2018 08:04

Kirkup is brilliant.

I think that because most politicians are male they don't really understand or care about the issue. For them it's blah blah blah transphobia blah blah blah transphobia blah blah blah.

ThisMadnessMustStop · 16/10/2018 07:58

Agree, fantastic article. The point about the disproportionate power of tiny organisations like Mermaids is spot on. (I’m a Spectator subscriber - I’d recommend it.)

WomanDictionaryDefined · 16/10/2018 01:52

The clue is in the job title - Public Servant

theOtherPamAyres · 16/10/2018 00:25

A really interesting article on yet another aspect of this consultation exercise. .

The reform of the GRA has thrown up so many different themes and questions. What started off as a debate about competing rights and interests, has shone some light on numerous actors and the state of public discourse. JK nails it again.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/10/2018 22:14

You have to ask how a lobby group representing diddly squat of the population can inject terror into grown men and women

It's this ^ sort of thing that is actually swaying me towards tin-foil-hattery. There is obviously some real power behind the TRAs.

BiologyIsReal · 15/10/2018 22:11

Politicians deal with contentious issues all the time, yet this one seems to scare them disproportionately. You have to ask how a lobby group representing diddly squat of the population can inject terror into grown men and women.

And yes, if politicians are being cowed by the thought of going against this cult what the hell would they be doing voting to expose half the country's population and the country's children to these batshit fruit loops.

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Serfisafleur · 15/10/2018 22:09

Thanks for sharing the article

BlackForestCake · 15/10/2018 21:44

Isn’t Question Time a good opportunity for someone to ask “Do the panel believe that women have penises?"

PineappleSunrise · 15/10/2018 20:59

There's a link to Jonny Best's petition in that story, too. Thanks, James!

HawkeyeInConfusion · 15/10/2018 20:52

I'm getting fed up with the silence of the MPs (with a few honourable exceptions). I get that they may be scared after what happened to Jo Cox, but:

  • if they are so frightened by these AWA to fear for their own lives, wtaf are the doing thinking about giving these self same groups unfettered access to women and girls in what were previously single sex spaces?
  • by being silent they are forcing (extra)ordinary women (and some men) to step up and do what the MPs should be doing. They are forcing others to take the risks they are not prepared to take themselves.

I'm afraid my patience has worn very thin when it comes to MPs.

scepticalwoman · 15/10/2018 18:58

Yet another excellent article from James Kirkup.

I don't know what we can do about our silent MPs. I suppose it is some comfort to know that they are concerned and of course, they are right to be concerned. We have seen the extreme reactions of many activists to ordinary women, and just as I know many women are at risk of real harm from these extremists, so I suspect could be some MPs.
BUT MPs do have access to security and police advice and support - while women have to face police forces like West Yorkshire and Manchester where some officers appear to have no hesitation in "taking sides" going by their biased tweets and comments.
Sad

BabyItsAWildWorld · 15/10/2018 17:06

Done, thank you!

WokerThanWoke · 15/10/2018 17:02

Baby I think if you register you can read a few articles a week/month?

Charliethefeminist · 15/10/2018 17:00

Yeah I agree with that. It's not even expensive to subscribe. Cheap as chips.

TimeLady · 15/10/2018 16:59

We've been asked not to post The Spectator articles in full.

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BabyItsAWildWorld · 15/10/2018 16:58

Anyone able to share this?
I'd like to send it to my MP.

Charliethefeminist · 15/10/2018 16:57

I have an account and I can't believe my phone logged me out
Bloody hell
Thanks for posting

Ereshkigal · 15/10/2018 16:55

Then everyone who has preached TWAW can do a lie detector.
Not just politicians but all the other famous people shouting.

Oh yes! That I would love to see.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/10/2018 16:14

Ag - lobby groups should not

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/10/2018 16:09

That's a pretty terrifying article. Lobby groups should be we be allowed into the position where they actually dictate government policy and dissent is punished. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

WomanDictionaryDefined · 15/10/2018 15:21

Prisons had swung it so prisons will be couched in what ifs and exceptions etc.

Most people are othering about jails and prisoners so won't relate.

The safeguarding is under the public's radar and needs outed - NHS and schools are already obeying a law that doesn't exist yet and seems to contradict the equality act, wtf....

Public needs to realise this affects EVERY CHILD every day and has done for quite some time.

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1051443257190834176

TimeLady · 15/10/2018 14:50

My best guess is that, behind the scenes, they will be pressuring Mordaunt to make the minimum of changes as 'a result of studying the responses to the consultation'. I expect the two year period to be reduced, as a sop to Stonewall.

That way, no-one has to put their head over the parapet.

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