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Owen Jones back at in again (trans issues)

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fizzthecat1 · 15/10/2018 13:32

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1051509684220424193

So we're all bigots for daring to have a problem with male rapists being allowed in prisons. Don't these idiots realise that self ID is a sexual predators dream and so open to abuse?

It's pure misogyny that our safety is less important than mens feelings.

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tobee · 16/10/2018 01:14

The reply that pissed me off the most was about just wanting people to live happy lives. Yeah that'll just be men though. Not the women sexually assaulted by Karen White. Angry

NanooCov · 15/10/2018 21:02

Who the fuck does he actually think he is, trying to tell women what they should be concerned about and how to rank said concerns?! He is a totally irrelevant bell end with a face that yearns to be punched. Supercilious twat.

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/10/2018 16:45

Absolutely Tallulah. I was watching a bit of Jeremy Vine. I could only cope with about 2 minutes of Alistair Campbell.
But I can't manage 2 minutes of LOJ

hackmum · 15/10/2018 16:10

Yes, he's also had videod conversations with Douglas Carswell, Peter Hitchens and Alistair Campbell.

I think all three have one crucial thing in common...

OlennasWimple · 15/10/2018 16:09

He's so funny, he can't be for real, surely?

PersonWithAVulva · 15/10/2018 16:05

I on the other hand clearly need to get my GP to up the dosage on my HRT as my house looks like a bomb has hit it.

Yup, me too. I wonder what he would say if I actually asked for this actually, I have an appointment tomorrow and its actually quite tempting Grin

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 15/10/2018 15:57

It's a rare talent to be able to make Alastair Campbell look like the adult in the room

RepealtheGRA · 15/10/2018 15:54

What an ill informed arse.

littlbrowndog · 15/10/2018 15:51

Look at Campbell’s face. It’s like what a fuckwit you are

thurmanmerman · 15/10/2018 15:50

"the absolute flannel" Grin Grin love this!

FekkoTheLawyer · 15/10/2018 15:47

Just realised that's not a cigarette holder he has in his hand. I haven't read as I don't think he's actually real. Has to be performance art like Ali G or Dennis Pennis?

FermatsTheorem · 15/10/2018 15:45

Time for that still of Owen Jones meeting Alistair Campbell. (The video is even funnier, if you can track it down.)

Owen Jones back at in again (trans issues)
LangCleg · 15/10/2018 15:42

It's a form of extreme intellectual arrogance.

It is. Although, frankly, I think Owen is just thick but had the right parents with the right left hierarchy connections and the right sharp elbows to get him a posh education. Over-educated and under-intelligent is how I'd describe Owen. He's not even that good a writer. Laurie Penny, much as I can't stand her, has at least a good turn of phrase. The only thing Owen has in abundance is sanctimony. I often wonder what Chaucer would have made of him.

Freespeecher · 15/10/2018 15:41

I wish he would opt more for a conversation between two people looking for mutual enlightenment. As it is he looks for the win via rhetorical bulldozer more than anything else. Talking over people, deflecting, strawmanning... all sorts of low (and increasingly desperate) tricks.

DeRigueurMortis · 15/10/2018 15:41

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Owen Jones back at in again (trans issues)
Redshoeblueshoe · 15/10/2018 15:38

Does he lower himself to talk to women?

Floisme · 15/10/2018 15:34

Yes, he's also had videod conversations with Douglas Carswell, Peter Hitchens and Alistair Campbell.

Yes I think I remember the Peter Hitchens interview and how he (OJ) starts off by saying that he liked Hitchens and had enjoyed talking to him. Has he ever done one with a woman who disagrees with him? I can't recall any.

FermatsTheorem · 15/10/2018 15:33

Congratulations on your new lesbian relationship tenbob. I on the other hand clearly need to get my GP to up the dosage on my HRT as my house looks like a bomb has hit it. And it's currently in one of its tidier phases.

Elephantinacravat · 15/10/2018 15:32

In the replies, someone has said of their trans friend "When she started with the hormones she actually started tidying"

Well fuck me I'm definitely a bloke then, I mustnt have any female hormones at all!

tenbob · 15/10/2018 15:31

Everard, I'm going to have to try and find the words to use to break it to DH that he is in fact nothing more than a ladybrained woman

His ability to keep our house clean is just too clear a sign for us to ignore any longer...

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/10/2018 15:29

Shush about the hormones
Tidying FFS

EverardDigby · 15/10/2018 15:25

"When she started with the hormones she actually started tidying"

I think I might need some more lady hormones, can I get them on the basis of not being "feminine" enough?

FermatsTheorem · 15/10/2018 15:24

I think one of the things you have to remember about quite clever but not brilliant people (used to teach philosophy many aeons ago) is that if they are a contrarian bent, there is nothing they like more than to devote their considerable intelligence to "squaring the circle". Defending the indefensible, going against the common herd, is their idea of fun.

I think it goes something like this. Common sense tells us the world is flat and the sun moves across the sky (after all, the horizon looks pretty flat) and it took some very clever thinkers to establish, in the face of considerable opposition, that it was round and in fact goes round the sun.

Therefore (dodgy logic follows - but I really think this is part of what is going on in their heads) if I can be the one to show that other common sense views are wrong (and remember, a lot of common sense views are pretty right - like stones fall, humans are a sexually dimorphic species...) I will become as famous as Galileo. Oh, and furthermore, the people telling me I am wrong are as evil as the Spanish Inquisition.

It's a form of extreme intellectual arrogance. "I can prove the little people are wrong and show them just by the brilliance of my mind that stones fall upwards..."

Freespeecher · 15/10/2018 15:24

tenbob
'After a couple of weeks they started exhibiting an interest in interior furnishings'.

Freespeecher · 15/10/2018 15:23

Floisme
Yes, he's also had videod conversations with Douglas Carswell, Peter Hitchens and Alistair Campbell.

It's good for opposite sides to at least understand each other's arguments rather than just hurl abuse. Looks like we'll need a stand-in for Owen though.