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has anyone completed the GRA consultation from the perspective of thinking it should be repealed altogether?

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RiverTam · 15/10/2018 09:54

I'm going to complete the consultation this week. I'm glad that I've left it this late because over the months since it appeared I have changed my mind from leaving the GRA as it stands to repealing it altogether. I now no longer believe trans is a thing.

So, how to complete the form without feeling like I'm letting myself down - because I understand that it's couched in either reform it (ie self ID)or leave it.

Has anyone managed to do this?

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IWishIHadEvenMorePlasticTat · 15/10/2018 11:32

I was going to start this exact same thread today! Thanks OP.

RiverTam · 15/10/2018 11:30

thanks for all this. I suppose what I'm concerned about is that they're not going to bother drilling down to the 'any other comments' bit.

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PencilsInSpace · 15/10/2018 11:25

Without saying it should be repealed as such, I am saying in the final question that it is obsolete and explaining why, and that the only remaining things it is good for are nefarious purposes.

I am saying that the current proposals are not reform but repurposing and that I believe the new purpose is to eradicate sex as a legal category altogether (not just in the EA).

So I'm strongly hinting.

QueenYnci · 15/10/2018 11:17

I have. You can do both.

I made it clear self-id would be a disaster, but that the act itself (and the way it clashes with other equality legislation) is the real problem.

You could tell them why you think they should keep the need for a diagnosis/waiting period etc. as a minimum in the GRA, then tell them your opinion on the the GRA giving an individual access to spaces and rights usually reserved for the opposite sex.

The 'any other comments' question is very useful for this, but I did it with most questions.

They're asking for our views (although they're making it as hard as possible).

LikeDust · 15/10/2018 11:12

You could also do the stringency argument, but open each answer with Pennies answer. Followed up by calls for such tight stringency which would effectively make the act redundant.

LikeDust · 15/10/2018 11:08

Apologies if i've duplicated others' points. Shite phone takes ages to type.

LikeDust · 15/10/2018 11:07

Perhaps there is a way of doing that in the consultation.

Doing it the way i've outlined, allows you to put your reasons for opposing them into their leading questions.

You could say something along the lines of

If the stringent requirements mean that the number of GRCs issued is 0, that is acceptable because the GRA is a legal fiction that humans can change sex which is rooted in stereotypes and deceit and was rushed through without due consideration of the other impacted parties and should be repealed at the first opportunity.

The 'stringency' argument is a way to argue against the GRA. Basically if your argue that all alternatives were explored and eliminated - there is no reason or justification for a GRC in its own right, apart from 'because I want one' - which is a pretty weak justificationfor falsifying your legal documents.

RiverTam · 15/10/2018 11:06

Penny good to hear! I know that each question has a question that you have to answer yes or no to, what did you do for those ones where 'neither' was your true answer? I suppose I'm concerned that whilst I can write my spiel in the bit underneath each question, it's the other bit that'll actually be looked at.

I'm overthinking this, aren't it?

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GulagsMyArse · 15/10/2018 11:03

Bookmark, I list all
My responses to the consultation and have to start again. This is useful. Thank you 😊

Penny1976 · 15/10/2018 10:59

I did - I replied to each and every question that I thought the GRA should be repealed as it created a legal fiction and was no longer required as we now have same sex marriage.

And people can't change sex.

RiverTam · 15/10/2018 10:57

but I don't actually believe a GRC should be issued at all. You can't change sex and I now believe that should be recognised in law. That's why I'm not sure of the best way to complete the consultation.

Or do i just hold my nose and go for the best-case scenario even though I believe its still perpetuating a damaging lie?

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LikeDust · 15/10/2018 10:47

'Scuse the typos.

LikeDust · 15/10/2018 10:41

You can answer the questions from the perspective that a GRC should only be issued after a person has met stringent requirements, eg-

  1. All other alternatives to 'transitioning' have been exhausted, including eliminating all other causes for dysphoria, such as other mental health problems, conditions such as autism, cluster b personality disorders, sexual motivations and fetishes, trauma and child abuse, shame about sexual orientation,etc. There must be evidence that all the possibilities have both been explored and eliminated as causes for dysphoria and wanting 'sex reassignment', with supporting evidence.
  1. After a thorough risk assessment with supporting evidence that confirming the person has no criminal record, hostility towards the opposite sex and presents no danger to them.

3 Proof of having no alter desire for advantages which woild be abusing/exploiting a GRC or stereotypes about the opposite sex having an 'easier life' or wanting a total identity change for any other reason. There must be proof there is no alterior motive for seeking a GRC.

All this engagement with caseworkers and psychologists to gather the necessary evidence would take longer than the curent 2 year period. It would be more akin to the 7 year period for citizenship.

If the stringent requirements mean that the number of GRCs issued is 0, that is acceptable because the GRA was rushed through without due consideration of the other impacted parties.

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