Sarah Champion says she has met parents who have been given a choice of drugs to make their child a boy or a girl

Early menarche has long term health risks and thats why puberty blockers are sometimes prescribed, not to prevent pregnancy. I mean, WTF? Have people not heard of the age of consent?
It is concerning that the average IQ seems to be dramatically declining.When supposedly educated adults don't seem to grasp basic facts such as sex being determined at conception, or the penis and the clitoris being different organs, one does have to wonder why.

Oh, for heaven's sake. Champion has not got the first clue what she is talking about. If she had any sense at all she would shut up and stop digging.

Champion is digging her heels in and coming out strongly for transgender people who are being "terrorised" on social media. In the same tweet she refers to a suicide in Rotherham.

Her persistence over the suicide situation is dangerously irresponsible for a public figure.

twitter.com/SarahChampionMP/status/1051780887048835072

I would have thought the main difference is that in cases of abnormally early puberty is that the girls come off the blockers after a couple of years and go on to experience a normal puberty.

For trans children the outcome most likely is that they go straight from blockers to cross hormones and never experience a natural puberty. It sets them down a path that leads to infertility and life long medical intervention.

Proper research has to be done into the risks associated with never going through puberty. We have already seen some evidence that it affects the brain, maturation and intelligence. This needs to be looked into further.

She wants to look at the medical side of the issue and so she is talking to parents?! Are these parents Endocrinologists?!

One of the other reasons for giving puberty blockers for very early menarche is to let the girls' bones grow a bit more (so, same for boys).

She is, of course, correct that one chromosome makes a child male or female.

Puberty blockers are not only used to stop girls having periods, they are used because girls who go through early puberty are usually abnormally short, as physical growth/height stops during puberty. Most girls, height-wise, stop growing at 14/15.

I'm not even going to read the link as it will make me cross. What ever happened to I just want it to be healthy? Why can't these people find drugs to cure cancer instead ffs.

I've known parents select puberty blockers as a delaying tactic for girls who've had the menarche at 8 - in a school/general environment that is not set up for girls that age to have to cope with it.

And also because for some it's a risk benefit trade-off depending on the history of female cancers in the family as more menstrual cycles (taken as a proxy for hormone fluctuations) are associated with greater risk of female cancers.

I can't believe anyone can be so stupid. Especially an MP.

Where I am from there is a standing joke that if you take the civil service exam and fail it, you get a job at the local Lost & Found.

It sounds like Sarah Champion failed the test to get a job at the local Lost & Found. It's the only explanation as to why someone can be so stupid.

Fuck off, Sarah.

Yes, give kids pills. That's the solution to everything

What is a trans supporter doing conflating trans with precocious puberty?

Puberty blockers for trans children have nothing to do with precocious puberty.

Ugh.

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Dangerous person. Thinks 8 or 9 years olds need drugs to protect against pregnancy.

The weird comment about 8 or 9 year old girls becoming pregnant through precocious puberty is possibly one of the creepiest I've read for some time.

The commenter thinks they are being socially responsible by bringing up the spectre of child pregnancy, but actually they are revealing some very unpleasant assumptions they have made about the onset of puberty and the sudden sexual availability of a woman (who is clearly still a child)

Where to start with this apparent gotcha? This ghastly person clearly believes they have the moral high ground with this statement.

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Hi Yvonne - just wondering if you have any objections to prepubescent girls who are given these blockers to prevent unwanted pregnancies when they are 8 or 9 years old and to allow them to have a normal childhood?

Yes we do have an objection to you proposing drugs to prevent pregnancies in 8 to 9 year olds. I'm also very concerned that you have any access to children at all if you make statements like that.

She's an idiot.

I feel a bit sorry for Sarah.
She's being hauled out to support Hampshire constab offending leaflets for CSE so it's possible this gender row isn't the main row she's fielding.

Oh, I see what you mean. If they were going through puberty too early.

Still, he should be more concerned with an eight-year-old having sex, than promoting puberty blockers, surely.

I'm absolutely appalled at the ignorance. I've read the tweet several times now and I still don't know what she thinks she's getting at. So she's met two people whose parents were given a choice of drugs. Who are these two people? If they're "people" (rather than children), presumably they're adults? So, say, 18 years ago there was a major scientific breakthrough that enabled "parents" (does she mean men or women? before they were pregnant or once they were pregnant?) to choose the sex of their baby? And somehow this major scientific breakthrough went unreported?

"One chromosome makes the difference between a penis/clitoris." Does she understand what a chromosome does? At what point does she imagine the drug is changing the unborn baby's chromosomes?

Last question: how on earth did this utter ignoramus end up becoming a member of parliament?

"Just focusing on the medical, I’ve now met two people whose parents were given the choice of drugs to “make” their child a boy or girl. One chromosome makes the difference between a penis/clitoris."

Yes, but I don't think that's what he said

prevent unwanted pregnancies when they are 8 or 9 years old and to allow them to have a normal childhood?

Puberty blockers will stop pregnancy in 8 year olds, in the sense that they stop puberty therefore the girl is too immature to conceive. That's what they are used for in girls: to stop precocious puberty (work in both sexes but obvs with boys you don't have the dreadful fact of a pregnant 8 year old). It seems to have been the main reason so many girls were given it in the US and they now have medical problems. BTW I am absolutely not saying give this to girls as a contraceptive, it's a totally different thing.

There is an incredibly worrying tweet further down that thread. From someone who supports trans children and parents. And claims that puberty blockers are used to stop pregnancy in eight year olds.

mobile.twitter.com/TransDevon/status/1051632704037576707

I can't believe anyone can be so stupid. Especially an MP.

I mean, I thought there were a lot of daft ones, uninformed ones and prejudiced ones. etc.

This is fundamentally thick.

You'd think she would delete that tweet. I'm embarrassed for her.