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Butterfly - anyone watching

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/10/2018 21:04

Opening sequence got pretty much all the stereotypes in...

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Bunnybigears · 21/10/2018 21:33

I am. You would think they would have warned the Grandma!

Moanella · 21/10/2018 21:04

Who's enduring a second helping of this drivel?

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 09:54

Courtsey of Politiwoops: All deleted tweets from MPs

Angela Crawley (scottish-national-party) tweeted :
Haven’t managed to catch #Butterfly on @ITV but judging by the positive comments from cross-section & support from #LGBT & #Trans community - I thought it would definitely be worth sharing the brilliant @Mermaids_Gender & the invaluable work they do supporting families

www.politwoops.co.uk/p/scottish-national-party/AngelaCrawley30/1051598174484348928?utm_source=politwoops.co.uk&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=1051598174484348928&utm_campaign=repost

What an interesting deletion.

I wonder what motivated it.

Most odd.

LorettasBox · 17/10/2018 15:02

Yes, while I thoroughly appreciate the well meant comments that a boy like this could just be gay, and that would be ok, he could also just be a heterosexual who likes feminine accoutrements.

It's actually playing into the hands of homophobes and AWAs to suggest that choice is a binary (ha ha) between girl or gay.

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 14:58

Nothing wrong with straight lads liking pink In the 80s Eastenders Nick Berry was wearing a pink scarf.

WTF happened between then and now.

catchyjem · 17/10/2018 14:22

It just highlighted for me just how damaging gender stereotypes have become. The whole family of that poor boy are horrible. The Dad is clearly homophobic. The Grandad has a fair point saying maybe he's just gay but also it shouldn't need to come down to that. Why should it be a choice between being a girl or being gay? Why can't straight boys enjoy pink, sparkles, dancing, dresses or whatever the hell they like? No wonder boys are confused and frustrated and think they have to "be" a girl in order to like "girl" stuff. Schools have a lot to answer for too. Why should only girls be allowed stud earrings?

HelenaDove · 17/10/2018 00:06

Ive watched the whole thing now. It was repeated tonight. The father is a terrible homophobe.

I liked the grandfather.

HelenaDove · 16/10/2018 01:45

I posted about it because that scene..................which was only a few mins long was a bloody sight more insightful than an hour of Butterfly................Sharon said that she hated being a woman sometimes but had no choice. And this was the mid 80s Are we going backwards?

MawkishTwaddle · 16/10/2018 01:42

Produced by Nicola Shindler's Red Productions.

Used to be interesting, now makes 'Woke of Week' virtue signalling shite, IMO.

ToeToToe · 16/10/2018 01:20

Helena, I really remember that! I must have been early teens - and I loved Eastenders so much.

HelenaDove · 16/10/2018 01:17

Drama has been showing Eastenders from the start. There was a brilliant scene in an episode yesterday with a young Sharon and a drag queen while he was in the living room at the Vic getting ready. They were talking about how easy it was for him to put the woman mask on and take it off again.................amongst other things, this episode is from early 1986.

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 15/10/2018 22:54

mobile.twitter.com/HadleyFreeman/status/1051841855778779136

Good on Hadley Freeman for the Twitter thread she started.

R0wantrees · 15/10/2018 22:16

I think it will have a detrimental effect on some vulnerable children either directly through their watching or by influencing the adults around them.

The way the self harm was portrayed as a solution eg stopped Mum going on a date, made the child feel better and led to Dad coming home is really concerning.

PerverseConverse · 15/10/2018 22:07

I deliberately didn't watch. Maybe more should do the same. After reading about it on here I'm glad I didn't! Sounds completely batshit and dysfunctional to me.

PerverseConverse · 15/10/2018 22:06

I deliberately didn't watch. Maybe more should do the same. After reading about it on here I'm glad I didn't! Sounds completely batshit and dysfunctional to me.

poshme · 15/10/2018 21:52

I'm Just watching his now. It's awful!

Really awful! Just utter crap.

LangCleg · 15/10/2018 20:05

Viewer numbers - we need to see next week.

And we'll see what consolidated tells us. But 2.8m is very disappointing. I'd imagine they were hoping for more like 4m.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 15/10/2018 18:49

A gay friend of mine watched and was very moved by it, I would guess because he experienced exactly the same homophobic bullying as the kid in the programme.
Overall I don't think it's making waves though.

BrickByBrick · 15/10/2018 18:46

Viewer numbers - we need to see next week. I am guessing though that a very large % were TRA's, those already involved with Mermaids or are GC (but I have no idea how they work out the figures) Average Jo(e) probably didn't watch it. (Neither did I come to that)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/10/2018 18:22

Or in a family.... How many teenage girls would ask their mum if they were going to have sex with their partner that evening.

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Bunnybigears · 15/10/2018 18:06

Its like whoever produced this has never set fort in a secondary school in their life!

PersonWithAVulva · 15/10/2018 17:31

The doctor saying that 'you wouldn't be told that now'...that the child is very likely to simply be gay...how true. Instead they would be shoved onto puberty blockers which create a self fulfilling prophecy as the brain does not develop enough to allow the usual coming to terms with either being gay, or just a feminine guy. I know TRAs don't like you pointing this out, but tough shit. Most kids DO grow out of it when left alone, and many of those kids will be gay. Noone 'grows out of it' when put on blockers. Blockers is 'transing away the gay'...and it will be a gigantic scandal in 5/10 years time.

PersonWithAVulva · 15/10/2018 17:18

This genuinely concerns me, this TV show putting out there that the way to get what you want is to attempt suicide. I have never complained to ofcom before but I have now. Its just disgusting, to use suicide in such a way. But not surprising from Mermaids tbh.

PersonWithAVulva · 15/10/2018 17:03

Basically telling kids that if you want your mum and dad to get back together you have to slash your wrists

Yes, thats how it sounds to me too.

I am surprised it was allowed to be aired, given that seems to be the main thing thats being driven home, ontop of stereotypes and 'get your kid on puberty blockers asap!'. Not surprising though, with Mermaids involved in it.

HelenaDove · 15/10/2018 16:19

Contessa The Radio Times did have an unbiased article "Born this Way" but it looks like it was only in the print edition . I cant find it on the website.

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