Butterfly - anyone watching

There's a lack lustre write up in this week's Radio Times (print version). The reviewer calls it 'underwhelming'
I expect they've been taken away for BBC re-education

Then followed by two wonderful women who are pilots, one a Red Arrow.

So why are the kids seemingly never 'boyish' boys (Ie likes trains and mud) who 'feel' like a girl? ( I know the answer here)

It's a ridiculous one sided bullshit softy interview

Being promoted on Lorraine right now. Poppy who transitioned at 9 explaining

Interestingly there are a mahoosive number of 10/10 reviews for the series on IMDB. Someone has been spamming the site I feel...

The trendy Left have really swallowed the Right's ideology about what constitutes 'femaleness' - loving makeup, loving skirts, loving pink ... It's such indoctrinating bollocks.

Don't think I will be watching a second series unless it changes tack massively. Not even sure I can manage part 3 of this one. I've had my fill of Anna Friel screeching and flapping her arms about, especially when claiming to be 'the expert' and insisting her child must have puberty blockers.

Like others, I was also mystified as to why 11 year old 'Maxine' needed to wear 1970s style purple eyeshadow, candy pink lipstick and mascara to be thought of as female. The female classmates were not painted up in this way.

Good luck with that hope from those ratings.

Quite. 2.8m down to 2.3m. Dismal. Big disappointment for ITV. But that's what happens when you're as subtle as a brick. Even sympathetic audiences can't be arsed.

it suggests to me that they have another series planned

The temptation to suggest plot lines inspired by real life, is erm... yes.

Good luck with that hope from those ratings.

I won't give any spoilers but I looked up what is due to happen in the 3rd and final episode, and it suggests to me that they have another series planned.

www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-safe/
“They Look Normal” – The Case For Puberty Blockers

Why was the mum putting mascara on the child for school?

Why does being a girl mean that an 11 year old wears makeup to school?

The programme constantly reduces being female to clothes and makeup. Why haven't they shown Max what strong, female role models look like instead of reinforcing this fantasy about what being female is?

Feedback from the trans community seems to be that this is a very accurate portrayal which I find quite shocking. There is very little support for that poor, confused pre-pubescent child.

Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best from the BBC put both sides:

vimeo.com/247163584

Obviously, both sides is no good to one side, which tried to get it banned and succeeded in Canada.

I’ve just watched this on catch up and agree that it is basically a load of claptrap but a few things really stood out to me:

-It’s a VERY emotionally manipulative programme. As well as being very unbalanced.

-Big push for puberty blockers - without any particular consideration of the (massive) problems associated with their use.

-Big promo for Mermaids - it’s basically the story of SG’s child isn’t it? And seemed to be aimed at validating it all.

-There is a really anti male vibe to the programme - with the dreadful husband, bully boys at school, plus more subtle stuff like the boring boys’ clothes and restrictive activities (football whether you like it or not).

-I also found the part where they saw the NHS specialists disturbing as the narrative seemed to be that they were totally wrong.

-The age of the child I also found a bit off - the feminine clothes, toys, accessories etc all seemed more suited to a much younger child.

-The scene where Max was putting on the girls’ uniform I found a bit much - fetishising even.

Also, the trans man sitting next to AF in the Mermaids meeting, who was that? Definitely seen that person before either on TV or in the papers.

I would actually be interested in watching a balanced documentary about trans identifying children - has this been done at all?

I've just watched the second episode. Honestly don't know what to think, it's not comfortable viewing. I don't like the dad, he gives me the creeps.

The poor child (Max/Maxine) has so many adults around giving input, each with own agenda.

I don't know what I would be like as a mother of a child like that one but I think - hope - I would just support, stand back and not make a big deal out of it all because my child might change their mind! I mean, honestly, puberty blockers. That's abuse. Poor kid. However the mother doesn't know what to do for the best, she's trying hard.

Very confusing programme though quite well acted. A very fashionable topic.

Just watching part 2 now. It's actually making me really angry. Just got to the bit where she's dragging the child to USA to buy puberty blockers. Words fail me who would do that?

Someone with Munchausen's by Proxy? (Or as it would now be known, Factitious or Induced Illness [including psychological disorder] by Proxy.) Convincing a child that they need drugs or surgery, whilst seeking / accepting 'hero status' for either the child or the adult, might suggest this, as well as the almost epidemiological pattern in western society of 'trans children'.

Butterfly can fuck off. Doctor Who had Rosa Parks in it.

Stunning and brave, genuinely, in a time and place when standing up for your rights was extremely dangerous.

Butterfly can fuck off. Doctor Who had Rosa Parks in it.

I think I’m going to watch on catch up, I have hypotension and could do with raising my blood pressure :o

Just got to the bit where she's dragging the child to USA to buy puberty blockers. Words fail me who would do that?

CEO of Mermaids, wasn't it?

Just watching part 2 now. It's actually making me really angry. Just got to the bit where she's dragging the child to USA to buy puberty blockers. Words fail me who would do that?

I think the NHS clinic worker had it spot on when they recommended therapy for the whole family and identified them as a 'family in crisis'.

I'm giggling madly, if somewhat inappropriately. Made up cobblers.

Mum and Dad split up! ages ago! I know, I'll get them together by wearing a tutu.

These poor children, child soldiers of the Gender War. Who will take the responsibility for sending them into battle?

I can't bear to add myself to the viewing figures and I think I might have a stroke due to a sharp rise in blood pressure.