Is this what I think it is...Rimmel trans?

@takemeback you’re assumptions are oart of the problem

Men have been wearing makeup for decades. Saw a Cure video from the 80s the other day, Robert Smith and co were all slapped in the stuff.

They didn't need to define themselves as Gender bollocks queer or whatever in those days. They could be regular bog standard men.

binglebong that's a good point about the lack of make up for darker skin. It's kind of surprising as cosmetic companies are usually pretty quick to push every marketing opportunity. Just surprised they haven't used more men in make up ads already.

I guess so, but I tend to read it as an excuse for people to post pretty pictures more than 'All men in the 70's were like this!'. But tbf, while I agree with your point about men wearing make up as a mark of rebellion and counter culture as opposed to something men regularly wore down the working men's club over a pint, there has still been quite a prevalence of it culturally in the past few decades in the day to day.

Again, maybe not in the working men's club, but I've certainly been part of a number of social spheres where men wearing smudgy eyeliner or concealer was just everyday stuff.

It’s the 80s all over again!

Yeah no one likes bowie

I do like a man in eyeliner though

Lass, fwiw, the image in my head of men wearing make up isn't Bowie, I tend to think of bewigged Dandies

Fair enough but Bowie being used to support the idea of gender non- conforming makes me cringe.

Men can wear slap.
I think we covered this 3 or 4 decades ago, kids
Is it time for a recap?

No actually "we did not cover this 3 or 4 decades ago" A tiny number of men in the music industry wore slap as part of their stage acts.

The idea 3 or 4 decades ago of campaigns like this or the ones Jayden Smith is involved in would have been unthinkable.

Time for a re-cap without the rose tinted glasses.

I can't get worked up about make up being marketed to men.

It is sexist to market makeup as a ubiquitous component of womanhood. But that didn't happen here.

Lass, fwiw, the image in my head of men wearing make up isn't Bowie, I tend to think of bewigged Dandies.

Binglebong, yes. Another thread someone starts saying something fairly contentious, and we all trot up like good little dancing ponies and prove, yet again, that we don't have the slightest problem with blowing raspberries at fixed notions of gender. It's got 'trans' in the fucking title too, so that's a great win for the ratios.

I'm not having a pop at you, Bingle, I'm just not feeling the joy at another 'opportunity' to show I don't hate anyone when I say deeply boring things like men are not women.

We have a fresh new generation of people who have boxed themselves so firmly into ideas of gender that they actually think it's groundbreaking for a man to wear make up

It is ground breaking for a man to be used in a mainstream advert campaign. I have never seen that before.

I think it is a little disingenuous to keep trotting out references to 70s and 80s rock and pop stars and claim this as evidence of those generations being oh so cool with men in make up. Those men were doing it to shock/ get attention/ part of a stage act. Very few men carried it into real life.

Oh and I am heartily sick of David Bowie being trotted out to support this. Did Bowie use make up/andogyny as anything other than a stage act?

Given Bowie's frequent appearance in the lists of the 70s groupies of rock stars they shagged I think the less said about him the better.

And threads like this are, in all honesty, not helpful toanyone

Actually I think they are. Not the OP (sorry OP) but the bit where absolutely everyone says you're being an idiot, dress as you like. I think it shows that it really isn't transphobic and a fear of how people present. For the most part we really don't give a shit. And the more people who know that the better.

I have no problem with men advertising makeup.

What's the saying? He who has failed history is doomed to see men wearing makeup as groundbreaking.

Or something like that.

Men can wear slap.
I think we covered this 3 or 4 decades ago, kids.
Is it time for a recap?

You’re not wrong Floral. It’s quite funny, in a very sad way, that this photo is somehow considered groundbreaking or breaking taboos. We’ve done this already!

I love a man with eyeliner.

Long hair on a man can be very attractive

A man who say he's a lesbian: dodgy as fuck

Drool

This is brilliant! Hoorah, can we return to the days of Adam Ant and Boy George pleeeeaaasse as I think this will sort everyone out!

My take is that Rimmel is trying to sell makeup to men, which I have no problem with at all.

This is the problem. We have a fresh new generation of people who have boxed themselves so firmly into ideas of gender that they actually think it's groundbreaking for a man to wear make up.

And threads like this are, in all honesty, not helpful to anyone. I've really enjoyed previous threads like it, where feminists have posted Will Smith's son in a skirt, or men in eyeliner, as examples of fabulous gender non conformity, and AWAs hate it because they don't want to destroy gender boxes, they want to build more of them and stuff everyone inside until we suffocate.

The framing of this thread is pure Genderism. It doesn't erase women if a man wears female gendered accoutrements. It erases women to take away their words, stop them naming their bodies, stop them using intellectual tools to break free from the oppression that gender is part and parcel of.

That's why FWR is not an 'anti trans' board and we don't give a fuck about men wearing dresses, silky gloves and wearing pin curls blah blah blah. Present to the world exactly as you wish. Do the things you like to do. Just don't pretend that your presentation and interests makes you something you are not.

Shit, this is really not complicated stuff.

I really don't see how a guy wearing make up is eradicating women.

He can wear what he wants. They can sell to who they want. They aren't saying women cannot now wear make up anymore. Nor are they saying he's a woman if he wears it.

Any person can wear make up. It's just too stereotypical to say it should be women only.

Bluetits I'm another ghost but fortunately don't wear much make up - I can find something not too far off in an emergancy. For darker skin tones the lack of choice is ridiculous. Apart from anything else companies lose a huge share of their market!

Is it time to mention the wonderful John Maclean again. A man in makeup who is still a man