Is this what I think it is...Rimmel trans?

I rather like a man in make up...

Shedloads of boys wore make up in the 90s, too. And as for mainstream advertising campaigns, MAC launched their first Viva Glam lipstick with Ru Paul as original spokesmodel.

If I had a quid for the number of times I've bought lippy off a nice boy at MAC, I'd be able to take most of FWR out for a decent coffee.

What you have there is a man wearing makeup. Men are allowed to do that. I do not feel erased by a man wearing foundation (though I would suggest plucking his brows into a less pronounced arch).

Surely the whole point is that blue isn’t for boys, makeup isn’t for girls etc etc etc and gender is just a social construct
It’s when people say that they are “born in the wrong body “ because they don’t like or present the way society says they should that it’s an issue
Teen DD’s favourite make up artist is Jeffree Star

3 or 4 decades ago other than in certain parts of major cities he would have found it difficult or impossible to go about everyday life as he does

I grew up in the Goth heartlands (Northampton) and was a teenager in the 80s. I knew loads of males who wore make up daily - and most of them were working class and hard as nails.

My main complaint is that I have never found a rimmel foundation that gives that good coverage, they are all so orange I look like Judith Chalmers

Yeah a bloke wearing some Rimmel foundation is not going to cause the eradication of women. It doesnt have anything to do with the issues that most J if us are concerned about. I hope this wasn't another one of these 'fishing for screenshots' posts.

Ridiculous. It's an androgynous person in a bit of makeup. Epic fail on your part to cause another thread having a pop at the trans community.

Just how successful can an advertising campaign be that essentially says ‘You too could look like a man in drag’?

That remark seems rather at odds with the gender critical feminist position of saying that anyone can wear what they want.

Is that all you took from his photographs?

I had a boyfriend with floppy hair who wore makeup as teen, I thought it was very cool. I knew loads of men who wore makeup in the 80s.

Teenage girls used to like painting my nails at school (I'm male) I quite liked the Freddie Mercury one hand painted look....

These day I would probably be drawn into identifing as gender fluid.

Just how successful can an advertising campaign be that essentially says ‘You too could look like a man in drag’?

I'm not extrapolating though.
Not everyone was cool about it then, just as many aren't now.
And certainly it wasn't the majority of lads, it may have been only one or two out of twenty.

So I'm not exaggerating. However, you'd still see those lads every day, just as the one punk girl with a shocking pink Mohican and nose ring was there too, and the goths, and the metalheads and it was enough exposure for many of us to learn to shrug and just accept the variety as just part of life.

It didn't need to be a universal thing, nor was it ever going to be acceptable to all.

But for many of us, myself included, it was commonplace in the sense that it was something we saw every day and just...accepted. Some men wore makeup and it was ok, not really a remarkable thing, even something to be admired.

What can I say. I think the responses on the thread were mostly in reaction to the idea that a man wearing make up is erasing women and so very, very shocking and the post looked like an attempt to veer into 'Eww, icky trans!' and instead everyone just responded that it had bog all to do with trans.

But I do always appreciate your efforts to keep us honest.

I'm not sure that's what is being said. I don't think anyone is claiming that in the 70's every man walked around like Ziggy Stardust. It just isn't new or Avant Garde or cutting edge for a man to wear make up

It is pretty cutting-edge for there to be a man in an advertising campaign for make-up for men.

I think, having been a teenager in the 70s myself, that this type of thread gives a very false impression of the acceptability of men wearing make-up.

I agree with two posters who said that if it were more acceptable for men to wear make up as men then there might be less need adopt a female gender just to wear make up and style hair etc..

I was in Brown Thomas in Dublin yesterday and I couldn't believe the number of male make up sellers. I felt very prejudiced wondering at one point, bloody hell, is there a woman here who can sell me an under eye concealer!?

Yes but Lass, I'm not sure that's what is being said. I don't think anyone is claiming that in the 70's every man walked around like Ziggy Stardust. It just isn't new or Avant Garde or cutting edge for a man to wear make up. It is still fairly taboo, not least because of this stupid idea being promoted that if a man does wear make up, the reason may well be because he is actually a woman.

So, I'm happy to accept it may not have been everyone's experience of fellas in makeup but it's no lie that it was going on back then

I was at university in the late 70s and early 80s and have lived in cities all my adult life. This may have been part of your set but I very much disagree that men routinely wearing make-up was commonplace.

Yes I have seen it, but to extrapolate from a few rebels/ goths / emos that it was commonplace and every one was cool about it is a huge distortion.

Something like this is actually good, it's being inclusive while not taking away anything from women.

Oh and I'm talking small county town so not exactly cutting edge culture!

I've always seen plenty of goths/emos/whatevers wearing make up since I was a kid in the 90s. And I know plenty of men who wear it in a less obvious way.

Floral I didn't take it personally and I do see your point. And now I'm off to oil my hooves and put ribbons in my tail.

Lass I was mates with and/or knew several teenage lads in the eighties who wore makeup, and they weren't part of the music industry! And this wasn't central London, it was in a Northern town.

No rose tinted glasses where I lived. A bit gritty and pretty deprived actually.

I remember conversations in 6th form with my mates about who fancied a bit of eyeliner on a fella and who didn't. It was the era where a teenage lad would sit in a hairdressers for an hour with perming rods in his hair alongside the blue rinse ladies, and where lads pierced their ears with gold earrings like Wham rejects and wore dayglo towelling sport socks and huge blouson shirts.

So, I'm happy to accept it may not have been everyone's experience of fellas in makeup but it's no lie that it was going on back then. You'd get pushed in a ditch for wearing the wrong brand of tracksuit so if a conform-or-die backwater like my town produced some rebels others must have too.

im pretty sure that men wearing makeup is not the issue

Is it time to mention the wonderful John Maclean again. A man in makeup who is still a man

He is wonderful but again be honest - 3 or 4 decades ago other than in certain parts of major cities he would have found it difficult or impossible to go about everyday life as he does.

I went out with a beautiful chap a year older then me when I was 15. It was early 80s, just as hair mousse became a thing but obviously he hadn't quite got there so he used the old lady style setting lotion . He was heavily into Prince.

We went for a big walk and when it rained, his eyeliner ran down his face, half blinding him. Not a good thing for a first date.

No idea why kids think they invented this shit

He looks fab.

Make up is for whoever wants to wear it.