Times Readers' Poll on women-only spaces

Under 300 people said yes?

Strange

I think it was the "hardline" wording of the question.
If it were
"Do you think Transgender people should be treated as their chosen gender?" The results would have been quite different.

Obviously the consequences of "treating people as their chosen gender" means males who identify as women in women's spaces, but people rarely think this through.

Changing the law isn't going to change the mind and experience of the 97%

SYLA The result deserves the emphasis.

Women'll just remove themselves, where they can.

Oops cross posted flower. Just call me your echo

"Should everyone who identifies as female have access to women-only spaces?"
Well, the vote closed today with 9,816 votes, of which 97% said no...

This is the problem isn't it. It doesn't matter how many MPs say TWAW and take away female only spaces, how are they going to manage and police it when women say no?

Or are they just hoping that women won't say no, and just remove themselves?

Poll closed with 9,816 votes. 97% No

Under 300 people said yes?

Strange.

Wonder if that one will be quoted as much as the 48% Suicide Lie

Are they writing this up for the Sunday Times? (I think I read they were but can't remember!)

Now they know what their readers think, beyond doubt.

Good.

"Should everyone who identifies as female have access to women-only spaces?"
Well, the vote closed today with 9,816 votes, of which 97% said no...

97% No

8 403 VOTES but percentages not showing

"They drank the kool aid" is said slot, I've only just found out what it means.

Who says that?

It's no different to people here saying those that support self ID are brainwashed.

Survey link, meant to include it.

www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/media/39147/bsa34_moral_issues_final.pdf

Joss’s other opinions include that Times survey voters are all brainwashed right-wingers. Joss is entitled to that opinion too of course

To be fair on Josh, it's an opinion and it's valid as any other.
Honestly I'm not on twitter but I don't really get the picking apart or random twitter people.
At the end of the day it's a times poll.

Joss thinks this survey is far more representative.

However it’s less recent (graph at the start goes up to 2016) and the wording of the question is really ambiguous:

Please think about a transgender woman - that is a man who has gone through all or part of a process to become a woman. How comfortable or uncomfortable would you be for a transgender woman to use female public toilets?

“all or part of a process”

It very much does not specify that this can include male-bodied people with fully-functioning penises, who as we all now realise probably make up 80% of “transwomen”.

I bet if this survey had spelled that out the figures would be different...

I want to see how Pink News spin this.

I mean the obvious angle is "mean nasty world everyone's transhopbic poor ickle us", but ya know, that's getting really lame and boring now, because they have boy-who-cried-wolf-it to death.

I suppose we could get a passing mention given our "radicalisation portal" status, but then PN wouldn't want to credit MN with that much influence?

It's a dilemma for sure...

Sorry, my mistake...98% ;)

It doesnt really matter about Josh does it?
Even if it came out as 100% No Josh would brand everyone right wing. Well so what?! It still means 100% don't want it. And so far 97% don't. Speaks volumes to me :)

I clicked on the Twitter link, that Joss person is a perfect example of a selfie passing but the person doesn't. Joss has a series of videos out, I clicked on one and watched a few seconds to establish it was the same person.
A selfie shrunk into a tiny avatar passes and people respond to that. Whereas in real life the person is never going to pass.
Also the trans bathroom thing - we've already established some people get confused and think a trans woman is a woman who's transitioning to be male and a trans man is a man transitioning to be female. Obviously that's not everyone but there will be enough people confused about the designations to influence the vote.
The wording on the Times poll is clearer. The issue isn't if some people are happy with some trans women (for argument's sake I'll still to TW) in women's spaces especially if those people know or are envisaging HSTS TW who are either stealth or "fabulous".
For any lurkers - it has to be ALL women happy with ALL trans women, and as the latter contains occasional cross dressers and a high proportion of AGP fetishists (NATWALT etc etc) and people who will never ever pass as female and go unnoticed, the former will never be happy with the change. The former don't have any responsibility to the latter. The status quo is effective. Women will have to be forced into accepting this because it won't happen naturally.
Mind you, I don't suppose the TRAs care much about whether women feel coerced into playing along with their public fetishes (NATWALT etc) so long as we move over and give them room.

Voted just now. 98% no 👍