The Times - Mordaunt faces backlash from MPs re Trans reform

Interesting to note Andrew Gilligan's comment that only 28% of MPs support the proposals. That means there is substantial Labour scepticism too.

More from Andrew re the comres poll. 54% of MPs feel they can not speak freely on trans issues.

Email to my MP done ✔️

I submitted the one-click consultation. I’d have liked to do personal individual answers for each question. But being realistic and not wanting to pile extra pressure on myself on my one day off, at least this way I’ve submitted something.

Reading my MP email through before sending I managed to do the entire thing without mentioning “transgender” once. Because my concerns aren’t about transgender people, they are about keeping single-sex spaces and predatory males abusing legal self-ID. Anyway, I asked her to attend the meeting on Tuesday (or send a representative) and hear the concerns we have. I asked her to listen. Can’t say fairer than that.

Just emailed my MP and will try and get the consultation filled in this afternoon.

I used to be a great believer in transition in order to treat gender dysphoria but now I can really see how it is like treating anorexia with liposuction. And I have struggled with my biology and what that means in relation to the way men (and this includes trans women I have come across) view me and my sexuality, not to mention the c-section I underwent, struggling with breast feeding and concieving due to my poly cystic ovaries and then having to fight to get a vaginal birth with my second child, due to the previous c-section. These are all situations that a man might be able to empathise with, but to actually understand these struggles, that I believe is only something a fellow natal women would understand.

There has been some suggestion on Twitter that Virgin & Talk Talk servers have blocked FP4W site.
(no idea if this possible or true)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3393454-Why-has-fairplayforwomen-com-disappeared

dolorsit

I don't know - not tecky. But that sounds reasonable.

And reassuring if true.

Sorry wrong thread.

Could the problem be that so many people are attempting to access the page to send the form that the server thinks it's under attack?

I'm probably just suspicious, but I feel that the moderating of pending comments in The Times is probably left to someone young and perhaps uncritical of the trans activists. So far, only 26 comments have been allowed through the "pending" mire. Any with external links are particularly affected. This means that any early readers do not see links to the consultation.

Nic Williams has just posted a thread about alternative ways to complete the consultation using one click. As so many people are having trouble accessing it.

God, that woman's a trouper.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3394063-TWO-quick-ways-to-submit-a-Fair-Play-consultation-response-this-weekend?watched=1&msgid=81786506#81786506

Also note the FairPlay one click consultation page is down for some. If you turn off Wi-fi and use 4g, it works.

Sabotage?

I like the new headline. It puts the responsibility of this onto the whole govt, rather than Penny Mordaunt.

Share token for the Sunday version

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tories-rebel-over-trans-law-change-r035h9kgn?shareToken=87b0c754e0ef8af64783776546257330

Roger See my post on the previous page. It was first published at 6pm last night, with comments allowed, not held in pending. Then republished this morning under a different headline. So the other comments hadn't disappeared - they are just in the first story.

The interesting thing for me was how come it was published "under the radar" last night, with comments allowed in real time!

“She said it was the defining moral and cultural issue of our times”
Well she’s an idiot.

This. She really is. And what does she think she's doing, promising to Stonewall?

The Times often do this when an article moves across to a new edition. Only occasionally do they bring the original comments across so I don't think it's sinister.

The Times really must be commended for their approach to this. They have led the press in highlighting what's happening.

I wonder what is happening WRT the other inquiry about the huge rise in young girls wishing to 'trans'? Let's hope that our intrepid journalist friends have their eyes on this prize too.

This story means its more likely to get TV coverage on the Sunday politics programmes, Marr, papers reviews etc

We should be moving to repeal the GRA and tighten up the language on the EA so that there is no legal fiction that sex change is possible, but instead there is protection against discrimination due to gender presentation.

I made this point repeatedly in my consultation response.

JoanSummers

Absolutely!

I also should add that I don't think that any law should exist to allow people to pretend they are the sex they aren't because of dysphoria. I'm sorry it hurts, lots of other people also suffer from mental health disorders which are immensely painful and difficult to manage, including me - the pain of sex dysphoria, as bad as it might be, should not be made a special case legally because of the issues that causes for everyone else wrt privacy, safety, and truth. We need to all push for better mental health services.

I don't think this is a heartless position, this situation where sex dysphoria is treated like a special case with special legal protections (and screw the wider impact) should never have happened in the first place.

It worries me that the government would consider shortening the time needed to legally 'transition' even if they drop self id.

We should be moving to repeal the GRA and tighten up the language on the EA so that there is no legal fiction that sex change is possible, but instead there is protection against discrimination due to gender presentation. That's it, that's all that is needed for the law to protect EVERY ONE to conform or not to sex stereotypes as they please, without needing to force people to accept a lie, or lose the right to single sex spaces for privacy and safety.

Someone mentioned upthread that many organisations are “ahead of the law”. If the new GRA is a compromise and say changes to one year with Drs comsultations, does that mean orgs such as GG, will be breaking the law, if they carry on with their own rules?

There is that potential if they continue to call themselves single sex rather than single gender.