Janice Turner accused of causing trans suicides

Gosh they turn it right up to 11 straight away don't they? No nuance.

We need to use the law. It's not up to me from the comfort of my internet anonymity to say to Janice Turner to take legal action but she needs to .

A side issue but Gary Yonge pulling out of this because Melanie Phillips is involved is pretty pathetic too.

I've got at least some sympathy for Yonge, because he at least asked the organisers to quietly drop his nomination in a fuss-free way but they wouldn't.

I do agree though, it's not for nominees to dictate who they permit to be nominated alongside them.

Ally Fogg is a complete idiot. He's an MRA who largely gets away with it because every now and then he'll tweet something akin to 'women...are people.'

I remember him getting pissy over a thread on here called something like 'Men who talk about how feminist they are but can actually fuck off' (he got quite a few mentions).

It all looks pretty tragic. All sorts of people pulling out because other people may or may not be offensive. I expect better of Gary Younge.

*you can't speak the truth to power

Liberal society that believes in the value of journalism also believes in the importance of free speech because without it, you can speak the truth to power.

Is this competitive anti-journalism and pro-opinioning?

Ultimately it's not your job as a journalist to moralise. That's propaganda. Journalists speak the truth to power.

A side issue but Gary Yonge pulling out of this because Melanie Phillips is involved is pretty pathetic too.

Just googled Helen Belcher as hadn’t heard of them previously. Definitely trans so has a vested interest in shutting down debate.

I read lots of Ally Fogg articles in The Guardian back in the day, and what I noticed was that his sympathies shifted slowly but steadily over time, always in the direction of downplaying the feminist point of view, and fitting in with the male majority there. I wondered if it was the "tribal" influence of interacting with all the misogynistic leftie men there, and the desire to gain points with them.

I think this may be another own goal!

Belcher appears to be yet another late-transitioning middle aged LibDem Transwoman.

Somebody needs to sue the arse off these cretins in a high profile case. The absolute bare faced lies they tell are shocking.

I’d contribute to a legal case against them.

Helen Belcher's press statement: challengingjourneys.wordpress.com/2018/10/13/comment-awards/

Sunday Times on 'BUtterfly' / Mermaids with GIDS criticism www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teen-transgender-drama-butterfly-inflates-suicide-risk-9ng3z22mv?shareToken=66b3126bd1f7f339bbe37a439158daaf

Prof Michael Biggs article (refrred to in Sunday Times) which analyses the misuse of suicide statistics by trans-activists with focus on Susie Green and Mermaids re Butterfly:
www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

I despise Ally Fogg. Many years ago I was foolish enough to reply to one of those Guardian trawling expeditions looking for readers' views (it was a fairly mainstream feminist topic, nothing contentious, and not trans-related). They pruned my quote to take it out of context and remove any nuance, and Ally Fogg then orchestrated a pile on BTL. He's one of those misogynists who has spent years dressing his misogyny up as concern trolling (his previous schtick was a faux-concern for working class white men) - of course trans issues would be an absolute gift to him. (Does anyone have at their fingertips that marvellous Sandy draws badly cartoon with lefty dude bloke in it?

I had an exchange with Ally Fogg a while back about his misrepresentation of the literature about domestic violence, and he was incredibly patronising.

Same, both about DV and rape (as a survivor of both). On Guardian Comment is Free. I sympathise.

Samaritans guidance could not be any clearer about the risk this kind of portrayal exposes young people to

Does anyone have any contacts at Samaritans to encourage them to take a look at it? They've covered high profile depictions of suicide before:

www.samaritans.org/news/guide-parents-and-carers-viewers-netflix-drama-13-reasons-why

www.samaritans.org/news/guidance-viewers-netflix-drama-13-reasons-why

By the sounds of it it'd be very useful if they could produce some guidance for this drama too.

For a horrible minute i thought Gary Younge had pulled out on the same issue. I admire his writing hugely. I'm not impressed that he has dropped out due to objections to Melanie Phillips, but at least it's not due to this.

And Shon Fae. Fae trotted our those same suicide lies on Newsnight

And Paris Lees on Question Time.

the NHS gender clinic for children and teenagers has criticised Butterfly in relation to showing a suicide attempt

WTAF are they thinking? Samaritans guidance could not be any clearer about the risk this kind of portrayal exposes young people to and now they are proselytising it all over national media?

Our favourite Flying Lawyer, the fragrant Stephanie, has just waded in

twitter.com/victoriapeckham/status/1051156208361586688?s=12

Erish I had an exchange with Ally Fogg a while back about his misrepresentation of the literature about domestic violence, and he was incredibly patronising. Your comment made me feel a little twinge of happiness!

And Shon Fae. Fae trotted our those same suicide lies on Newsnight twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/819535116477329408?s=21

This makes me so angry - people using young people's mental distress to fuel their own agendas. It's shameful

Janice is mates with some notable Beeb journos