Genuinely don't understand this

They already said they had a grc

They posted photos of their passport saying "f"

They can get a grc and a passport but can't change the pay pal

And just a few weeks ago they were talking about their hormones and getting breasts and posting pictures of them in a sports top

Wtf Lily

There's people in Labour who want to bring in self iding as disabled

(my phone wants to point out the political controversy with this by auto correcting self IDing to self idling)

This is a very good point about the carer and one that a woman I was working with to distribute FPFW leaflets made.

We don't give people DLA or a OAP bus pass just on their say so - they have to provide evidence. So why people are arguing that you should be able to change your birth certificate on a whim I don't know.

Requires me to irreversibly alter my body

Lily's objection to irreversibly altering the body says it all for me. If it's important to you to retain your male body, that's fair enough, but if that's the case, please don't expect me to call you a woman.

Lily had a GRC in January. I wonder what happened to it

GRC is £140 with a fee waiver for low income.

There is no requirement to have surgery, homone treatment or any other specific treatment. You need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and you need to give details of any treatment you have had. If you haven't had surgery you need to say why but you can give any reason.

The spousal veto doesn't stop someone applying for a GRC, they just have to end the marriage first if their spouse does not agree to the nature of the marriage contract changing, which seems fair.

It's not clear why Lily would want to remain married to a hypothetical spouse who didn't think Lily's gender was valid. It's also not clear why Lily would want to marry a hypothetical spouse in the first place if Lily thought they would do that.

This is one thing that really irritates me and highlights just how shallow this movement is.
Lily absolutely can get married. Trans people can get married. There were some non-binary people presenting a petition to Theresa May that demanded the right to get married? They can absolutely get married too.
If they follow the procedures at the registry office with their loved one, they have the right to be legally married to that person same as any other adult.
What they don't have is the right to do, is customise their marriage certificate to show whatever they want it to.
Twenty years ago, a gay couple couldn't get legally married under any circumstances.
Pretending that the 'right' to amend what it says on your marriage certificate is the same as not actually be allowed to get married at all, is ignorant at best and utterly dishonest.
It completely diminishes and minimises the very real hurdles that gay couples have faced throughout history.

The fact TRAs are campaigning to have it removed just shows how entitled these people can be. It's all "me, me, me" and no thought for their spouses at all

They need someone to clean the bog and look after the kids while they are out womanning.

Lily has a Grc when it suits Lily.
Lily does not have a Grc when it suits Lily.

Lily is able to blag money when it suits Lily.
Lily is unable to blag money when it suits Lily.

Lily is a woman when it suits Lily.
Lily is trans woman when it suits Lily.

Lily sees the merit for trans only needs because it suits Lily.
Lily sees the lack of merit for women only needs because it suits Lily.

Can you spot the pattern?

It's been said that Lily displays remarkable cognitive dissonance in what they say. I would contend there is not. There is a very obvious consistency in what Lily says.

At that point, you roll your eyes and go whatever Lily.

Has it ever occurred to Lily that other people are paying for government documents

I was recently looking at ticket prices for a wildlife park. As many places do, people requiring it can bring their carer for free.

BUT in order to get this carer's ticket, you have to provide:

Paying visitors who receive Disability Living Allowance (DLA) or Personal Independence Payments (PIP) are eligible to bring with them one essential carer, free of charge, subject to written evidence in the form of photographic staff identification cards (for registered care homes only) or a letter from PIP, DLA or a medical professional on NHS headed paper. The evidence provided must be dated within the last 2 years and must be one of the 4 mentioned above – no other cards, letters or blue badges will be accepted as evidence.

Just to get into a zoo, a person needing a carer has to provide the abobe evidence (which as a doctor's letter, I'm guessing will cost them about 50 quid?).

I don't think the cost of a GRA, which most people can't even then ask to see is at all high, given what someone who needs a carer has to go through, just to get that carer into the zoo with them for free.

I hate the fact there is a proposal to remove the spousal veto. Especially after reading the trans widows threads. I think your partner announcing they are and always have a different gender to the one you married should be grounds for annulment, no questions asked. Marriage after all is a contract and that's a fairly radical breach of terms.
The fact TRAs are campaigning to have it removed just shows how entitled these people can be. It's all "me, me, me" and no thought for their spouses at all

Not automatically - unless you have a LPA

So your spouse can make end of life decisions for you but heaven forbid they not want to be forced to stay married to you if you decide to transition and fundamentally alter the nature of the marriage. What does LM think marriage is?

This was the reason my (Tory) MP gave for supporting the changes to legislation when I met them. MP said it wasn’t fair that spouses could hold up the process and wouldn’t engage in any other conversation on the topic. I am trying incredibly hard to see both sides but MP made it clear it is all or nothing: ‘bigot’ or ‘ally’.

yeah

so far i've seen nothing to indicate that Lily is anything other than a heterosexual male

of course that doesn't stop Lily being a transwoman too

but the point is, Lily would always have been able to marry whoever Lily wanted as heterosexual marriage has always been a thing

now that equal marriage has been introduced, if Lily does have a GRC as Lily has previously claimed, Lily can still marry whoever they chose

i don't understand what the issue is here?

Has it ever occurred to Lily that other people are paying for government documents (passport, marriage licence, DBS check etc etc) and generally not complaining about them much and just getting on with it? Also, we provide information about ourselves, to unknown bureaucrats, for these purposes. It’s not just trans people who have to do this. Why does Lily think trans people should be exempt?

Surely there should be a choice to stay in a relationship that has really changed since the beginning (I really don't need another sister or intend to become a lesbian should this happen to me) or leave and get on with your life.

Don't people even thing 'what would I do if this happened to me?'. Do they really think that it could never happen to them?

The GRA states:

If the applicant is married, and the marriage is a protected marriage, an application under section 1(1) must also include—

(a)a statutory declaration by the applicant's spouse that the spouse consents to the marriage continuing after the issue of a full gender recognition certificate (“a statutory declaration of consent”) (if the spouse has made such a declaration), or

(b)a statutory declaration by the applicant that the applicant's spouse has not made a statutory declaration of consent (if that is the case).

So a spouse can veto the continuation of the marriage after the person’s transition, but can’t veto the transition itself. It just means that the transitioning person cannot force their spouse to stay married to them. The notion that a spouse holds the power to prevent someone becoming their brave and stunning authentic self has been disingenuously put about - including by Stonewall in their guidance for completing the consultation.

I'm normally just a lurker here and don't post or comment, but the fact that Lily complains that they would have to irreversibly alter their body just says it all to me.

I was told a few days ago in a debate on FB that TW do not enjoy having a penis and that they would do anything to be rid of their male genitalia. This statement puts the lie on that...

There's nothing to make sense of. It doesn't make sense. It is nonsense.

'Requires me to irreversibly alter my body'

Is LM actually expecting people to think this is an outrageous step too far for a male who wants to be perceived as female?

Anyone marrying Lily would know exactly the situation I suspect. Their life is an open book.

It's not exactly going to be the scenatio where if they decide either way the partner will be shocked 'I never saw this coming - I'm so surprised!'

Why would Lily marry someone who would veto a GRC for them?

How could you forget that? Was it before of after the girlfriend came on the scene?

So was Lily mistaken in claiming to have a GRC earlier this year?

But that would mean doing something - actually following a process and doing something.

It seems that the main thing is just being loud, antagonistic, argue about everything (even if there is no argument), showing off... It's more like performance art. I suspect many are actually surrealists.