New video about street harassment of girls

I think the men who don’t do it aren’t outraged because they don’t know/don’t see it.

The behaviour is so disgustingly normalised.

Which is why it’s so important we show films like this to them.

Did you, or did you not write this So you actually WANT girls to to be sexually harassed/assaulted for your viewing pleasure, so make it more real and less staged?

Oh and differentname, get a fucking grip.

Did you, or did you not write this You can film it so that their faces aren't even shown, but focus on the leering men. That's how I would have done it, shown some examples

I find them much more effective. If you see a murder on TV/movie you don't think twice, but I at least felt sick for days when I once watched a person die in a video (there was no real spoiler). So hearing the testimony of those women in the first video for example, to me, makes it so much more effective.

MrG I posted as I could see your point. What did you think about the other videos?

You guys only hear what you want to hear. I very clearly stated in my initial post that I do not mean that these things don't happen. And yet there is post after post on the basis that I did. Oh and differentname, get a fucking grip.

I do as well. There seemed to be a sea change a few years ago with Everyday Sexism.

I do think we're at a bit of a turning point in history.

Since forever, women have kept silent about this sort of thing.

One the one hand, the low level stuff is just so everyday banal, that no-one talks about it. It's expected, you just try to ignore it, and get on with life.

On the other hand, the awful things that happen to women - rape, sexual assault, violence, etc - are often too traumatic to talk about, and as I say, you won't be believed anyway, so what's the point?

But the tide seems to be turning. We are starting to talk about it. We've all experienced at least the low level stuff. And we're sick of it.

I know it's much easier for defensive men to just deny his happens, to believe Dr Ford made up what happened to her, to ruin Kavanaugh's career.

But ...

What if we're all actually telling the truth?

And what if we've had enough?

The more widely the video is seen, the more it will become a talking point and people will become more informed. It's all about chipping away and raising awareness and changing attitudes, and ultimately changing behaviour.

Most of those things have happened to me, more times than I care to remember, pretty much just as they're depicted - except the 'show us your hair' and the phone up skirt, since they weren't around when I was uniform.

But yes, definitely the vocal leering out of the van (it's almost always a fucking van). And certainly the groping in broad daylight / public place.

But sadly, I think MrG perhaps has a point. The people it's aimed at probably will dismiss it as unrealistic. And they won't have intelligent, informed people with them to hammer home how accurate it is, unfortunately.

Women are NOT BELIEVED when it comes to this shit. Men take any and every opportunity to dismiss and disbelieve women, when it comes to this sort of thing. As we've just seen on the world stage.

Any sort of chink - and men will grab it and run with it. And this video being 'obviously staged' is enough for arrogant and ignorant men to dismiss it.

@MrGHardy - be assured that girls and women experience this relentlessly, for years. It's beyond tedious.

And what's more tedious is that we have to tell you (generic) about it just so before you're even willing to listen to us, let alone take us seriously.

It absolutely is a realistic video MrGHardy- every single one of those things has happened to me on more than one occasion, and from the age of 12 or 13. Apart from the upskirting (only because mobiles didn't exist then).

Including middle-aged men hanging out of a van and leering at me in school uniform. I wish it were exaggerated but it isn't.

The target audience will think this is exaggerated, that's the point, and others will then explain that it isn't, and if anything these are pretty mild examples, and the target audience will learn something. I could think of several things that happened to me which were worse. Now you are better informed than when you came to the thread.

You can film it so that their faces aren't even shown, but focus on the leering men. That's how I would have done it, shown some examples and then moved on to a part with actors @MrGHardy

So you want to film girls actually being sexually harassed and assaulted, and put it out as educational videos on not what to do/how to tackle?

But that's OK, because you aren't showing the faces of the girls you are filming while they are being sexually assaulted/harassed, so it's a victimless crime, because they are faceless.

So you actually WANT girls to to be sexually harassed/assaulted for your viewing pleasure, so make it more real and less staged?

I think there is a name for that, and I am pretty sure it's illegal too.

Women will absolutely totally get it. Immediately.

It's very disturbing that because it's portrayed by actors, there is an opinion that people won't find authentic, or take it seriously.

Which is why as many women as possible have to view it and post it. And say, yes, this is exactly what it's like.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=mdf5S_ILQWA

And one by Amina

For anyone looking for resources to share on the topic who doesn't get on as well with the video in the op. One has oral testimony. One is a filmed poem.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ-qpvibpdU

A video by imkaan on the same topic

And yet somehow you find it irrelevant to talk about how the target audience might react to the video. Cool. I wonder why that is.

"would cause severe trauma to the real girls involved."

This seems hyperbolic. You can film it so that their faces aren't even shown, but focus on the leering men. That's how I would have done it, shown some examples and then moved on to a part with actors. But if you say no, fine I can accept that, but that still doesn't mean that they could not have done it better with the actors. That point stands, regardless what you think, I guarantee you there will be boys laughing at that part. Possibly even exactly because of the thing you wrote below ("how much is you actually thinking"). Suppose I truly was a person that doesn't believe this, then I inadvertently would have just shown you that the video isn't very effective, because I would be the prime target of the video. Right, you must admit that women who already know this shit is happening, who experienced it, are not the audience.

And this: "And if you think it's poorly done - hey, try and raise money and be involved in doing another video which is better done, hey?" surely is a joke. No one is allowed to critique something, unless they can do it better themselves?

"I wonder how much the 'this is staged' is you actually thinking 'this can't really happen like this, can it?'. It can, it does."

I wonder why despite me saying to not put words in my mouth, and you protesting that you are not, you now put thoughts in my head. What else do you want to tell me about myself? You are telling me that from your perspective it's brilliant and are questioning me, and yet when I tell you something from my perspective, that is suddenly up for scrutiny.

Look, in the end I never said the video or the idea of the video is bad, just that some parts felt too staged to me, making it ineffective. For what it's worth I really like the video and its message, and I am a great fan of Plan International, my parents have been sponsoring two children via them for over a decade now and they are doing wonderful stuff.

but that parts look so ridiculously staged. of course it does! As op said, you cannot show really footage of girls being sexually abused just to satisfy your need for it to look realistic.

You misunderstood, I even mentioned that I do not mean it is fake as in does not happen, but that parts look so ridiculously staged.

I did not advocate to do it without their consent, the video I mentioned the woman did it herself, I never said to go around secretly trying to capture video then put it online. Why are you putting words in my mouth that I never said?

Again, I didn't say it's inaccurate, I said I felt it's poorly done.

"That is great, really gets it" - this comment sums up what I meant. I am not surprised that those who experiences will feel it to be completely spot on. But those aren't the people the video is aimed at, they already know this is happening. It's aimed at those that are doing it, and those that stay quiet and let it happen. And from my perspective, it will not reach many of those it should.