Ricky Gervais chimes in over Karen White

Yes’m, and it’s not just PRISONS which are sex segregated, of course. I’m assuming army barracks are too, for example. We don’t do this because we think all male soldiers might be rapists, presumably! We do it because it presents many kinds of problems to house male-bodied people with unrelated women.

Correct.

actual LOL

Always end on an insult.

Yes’m, and it’s not just PRISONS which are sex segregated, of course. I’m assuming army barracks are too, for example. We don’t do this because we think all male soldiers might be rapists, presumably! We do it because it presents many kinds of problems to house male-bodied people with unrelated women.

except to use the word "she" when another posted did

And you thought it was a real 'aha!' to point it out, whereupon I indicated that I'd done it because MN requires us to do so, even when the transwoman concerned is a fucking rapist.

It's absurd, isn't it? But who can tell which TW will turn out to be a rapist and who won't?

yes, it's important to say that a lot of women just don't want to share spaces with men

and that's fine

and human's can't change sex so yanno - transwomen are men, regardless of what cosmetic surgery they've had or what they're wearing

You're trying to make me look like some woke idiot who overlooks the bigger picture to get het-up about the use of pronouns.

You are. You have spent an entire post, about the rape and sexual assault of women by someone who used trans rights to access them, loudly saying we’re all wrong and awful for not agreeing with these rights.
You’ve paid lip service to the victims of Karen White, nothing else, which is appalling. Your priorities are skewed.

You really need to meet some trans inclusive women, we're not the super woke numbskulls you seem to think we are

Oh really? Prove me wrong then.

Calling women who object to sharing intimate space with males transphobic DOES make you a woke idiot I'm afraid.

You're trans inclusive but can't define them or spot who they are. WTF.

we're not the super woke numbskulls you seem to think we are

actual LOL

Genuine transwomen are no more likely to rape than other men

We are not saying all men are rapists - most are safe & decent
but we can't tell in advance which men will rape, or strangle, or beat up women

That's why we have separate prisons
and of course so women can feel comfortable:
There are many men I know who I'm pretty sure would never harm me, but I wouldn't want to share a hotel room with any of them and certainly not for months or years on end

Also, predators who choose to self-ID to be able to get at women, are by definition more likely to rape than other men.
Most are devious and until they actually rape otr commit other assaults, it is difficult to tell if they are genuine transwomen

And you’re making it about fucking pronouns and rights? Fuck right off.

I haven't mentioned pronouns and rapist rights once, not once. Not one single time have i said anything about pronouns, except to use the word "she" when another posted did. You're trying to make me look like some woke idiot who overlooks the bigger picture to get het-up about the use of pronouns. You really need to meet some trans inclusive women, we're not the super woke numbskulls you seem to think we are.

If 'transwomen are women' why isn't Karen White one Caligula? Why do you get to pick and choose?

You still didn’t answer - I know you think KW is dangerous but if they get a GRC where should they serve their sentence and why? You are refusing to answer because you can’t and maintain your position; either you say the male estate because they are nasty and are a transphobe or you say the female estate and throw women to the wolves.

What is a good enough reason is their behaviour, like RAPE, which absolutely means they shouldn't live alongside women, whether you think they're actually a woman or not

of course the second time Karen White went to prison he was a rapist, but had not been charged with rape yet

the rape convictions were a result of police investigations after he had sexually assaulted female prisioners

so according to Caligulas argument, he was correctly in women's prison at the point he assaulted those women

Isn't the logical end point of that to not segregate prisons by sex at all then?

Yes, all these arguments about how the nice, non-violent transwomen (of which of course there are many!) can be treated as women, but not the nasty ones could easily be applied to men in general as well. It's an argument for mixed sex prisons, but make sure everyone is nice before letting them mix with the other prisoners. It's not actually possible to make sure everyone is nice, though.

Do we have sex-segregated prisons because all men are violent rapists? Or even most men? No, because neither of those things are true. We have sex-segregated prisons because men as a class represent a statistical risk to women as a class. No compelling evidence exists to suggest that men who say they are women do not present the exact same statistical risk as men who say they are men. There's no way to tell who really truly means it and who doesn't, and there's also no reason to believe that even those who really truly mean it are not the same as all other males for the purposes of criminality, statistically speaking. Mixed sex spaces are more dangerous for women than single sex spaces.

Transwomen are men Caligula. I have no objection to those who would be considered at risk in a male prison to be segregated for their comfort and safety. But that doesn't mean they should be locked up with women.

You know a lot of them are just as physically incapable of rape as natal women don't you?

You don’t need to keep saying natal women, women covers it just fine.

One more time, the loopholes in a system which panders to TRAs and is open to abuse by perverts and such is not only an enormous and very real risk to women, it’s making sure there will be no safe spaces for women. Ever.

So no refuges, no DV safe houses, no prisons where they aren’t being raped and assaulted by someone with a penis. No gynae wards, no labour wards.

And you think this is a good idea because what about the poor men?

Jesus wept.

What is a transwoman @CaligulaBlushed? Where's the line for you?

As for saying it's different after an operation - why would a rapist without a penis be any less dangerous to women? Rape isn't always or even usually about sexual desire is it, it's about power as much as anything else.

Why is actual PIV assault the only one that raises eyebrows?

So is Karen White a woman then Caligula?

I said no. Sorry, there are too many people talking at me on this thread. I'm going to leave it for now.

Aside from the risk of rape, housing a person with an intact penis in a female prison also brings the risk of STD's and pregnancy. Would prisons need to provide contraception too? It enters into the realm of ridiculousness that anyone thinks a male bodied person should be incarcerated with women.

But Caligula it’s not just about rape. What about pregnancy risk for example?

Cal what is it about a man's prison that makes it so bad for another person who has penis to reside in?

You know a lot of them are just as physically incapable of rape as natal women don't you?

HOW many? What evidence are you using for that statement?

What is a good enough reason is their behaviour, like RAPE, which absolutely means they shouldn't live alongside women, whether you think they're actually a woman or not.

Ah yes, a system reliant on that oh so wonderful and effective system which convicts every single rapist.

That’ll work.

Why the fuck has this thread become about the perpetrator, about their rights (I’m indulging so I don’t get banned!) and about men and how tough they have it.

Jesus wept.

This pervert raped women, and then manipulated a system in order to gain access to more, who were then sexually assaulted while having literally nowhere to hide.

And you’re making it about fucking pronouns and rights? Fuck right off.

Can't stand him. He's a bigot.