Ricky Gervais chimes in over Karen White

Can you explain how it's NOT transphobic to recoil in disgust at the idea of sharing a space with a totally non-violent trans woman?

I’m the victim of a double rape. I’d recoil – less in disgust than in abject fear – from being locked into any intimate space with a visibly masculine body, in particular someone who owns a penis. I’ve seen the counter arguments to that position: that lumping all men/transwomen/group of choice into the category of potential rapists is bigotry. Unfortunately, it’s not possible to tell from surface appearances who does represent a threat, ergo I’m wary of them all. You want to think that makes me transphobic? Knock yourself out.

Those who support putting rapists in women’s prisons are guilty of rape by proxy.

This.

There are no words which quite describe how much the rapist-apologists on this thread disgust me.

Fabulous

Although it is painfully obvious how much more abuse women who are extremely restrained in their GC views get on Twitter, than a man who doesn’t feel the need for any such restraint.

Thank you RG

Pleased to see the tweet is still up. And with 11k likes.

No idea how many post op f2m prisoners there are, but it is known that all f2m prisoners are kept within the female estate as the risk to them on the male estate is too ridiculous for the authorities to even consider
Imagine the following: transman convicted of attempted murder (for example). Five years inside. Applies to be placed in male estate. Lots of courtroom drama. Is placed in male estate. Identifies as a gay man. Has relationships with male inmates. Gets pregnant. Must stop taking testosterone for the foetus's sake. Sues prison service, as now unable to continue transition until postpartum. Or sues for lack of birth control provision. Or lack of spaces for a baby in the male estate.
Or gets put into male estate. Is raped by man with regressive background, beliefs in sex segregation etc. Transman sues, rapist sues (for having temptation put in his way, not allowing his to practice his beliefs).
Crazy? Completely. Impossible? Depends how much money is available.

www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/3v0pxu/transmen_if_you_were_taken_to_prison_would_you/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=comment_list
www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/4ailys/ftms_in_prison/
gendertrender.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/manhood-has-limits-for-transmen-who-prefer-womens-facilities/
Looks like transmen aren't interested in getting into male spaces as much as transwomen want to get into women's spaces.
Meanwhile transwomen are still litigious: www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article209688209.html

(the Nazi saluting Pug joke guy )

Hang on, wasn't there a bit more to that? My memory is a bit hazy, but I thought he said something about gassing Jews. That's a bit different to deadnaming someone.

No idea how many post op f2m prisoners there are, but it is known that all f2m prisoners are kept within the female estate as the risk to them on the male estate is too ridiculous for the authorities to even consider. I've also never yet seen evidence from f2m people discussing a desire to be in the male estate.

SirVixofVixHall exactly, and has anyone asked the women. No!!!

Why should post op mean going in with women ? There are plenty of ways to assault women without using a penis . Transitioned males commit crime at the same rate as other males . If you are a sex offender , having transitioned isn’t going to turn you into someone nice .

The rules state if you have a male GRC then you must go in a male prison, no questions, no exceptions. This is irrespective of surgery.

However if this is followed in practice, idk

Where do post-op f2m prisoners go? They have a male body and a penis. Are they still put in with female prisoners?

I wrote this upthread:

he women's prison estate is too small and too old to cope with that level of expansion. Relative to the men's estate it is small and already very limited with too many of the institutions too far away from inmates' friends and family to be able to keep up relationships against the day that they are released.

If self-ID is allowed, it will not take many prisoners to self-ID before they would require a disproportionate amount of the female estate and there just aren't the facilities.

I know I've written this up before with various links but AS is letting me down and I need to walk somewhere, in the rain, quite soon as Sunday morning public transport is "Fill in the blanks".

Edit.... that should read m2f
It's too early in the morning for this shit😖

"Could the UK have one tiny transgender prison? TINY (in line with the percentage of the population who are transgender in the UK) - would that solve the issue?"

An attractive proposition but if there was only one I'm pretty sure it would be against their human rights for them to be sent to prison so far from their families.
Perhaps a Trans-wing built on each male prison where" women with willies" could be put. It wouldn't have to be that big as there are not that many of them.
Post-op f2m could be put in with the general female prison population.

The best way for transwomen to stay safe is to not be criminals and then they won’t go to a prison (for either sex). Quite simple really.

If they really feel they must break the law then they run the risk that they may not go to a prison with the gender of their choosing and surely that should act as a deterrent for their behaviour more than the average criminal?

Could the UK have one tiny transgender prison? TINY (in line with the percentage of the population who are transgender in the UK) - would that solve the issue?

Should be really simple.
If you have a penis you go to a men's prison, regardless of what you present as or call yourself. If that puts you in too much danger go on rule 43.
If you are post op, then it's the ladies clink for you.
With regards to Linehans police warning, there is an irony that he is reaping what he sowed after trying to destroy the life of Marcus Meechan , (the Nazi saluting Pug joke guy ) mentioned by Pie in the clip above.
Here is his take on it.

no matter what her crime, the risk of rape is categorically NOT a part of her legally-sanctioned punishment.

I think a lot of people think that women in prison are not worth our sympathy. One friend I was discussing this issue with was in agreement about the sports issue but dismissed the prison issue as not worth worrying about because the “women in prison were in prison for a reason”.

It would be interesting to find out the kind of crimes women are in prison for. There’s a common idea that women get smaller sentences than men and are less likely to go to jail but my understanding is that they get sent to jail for smaller crimes ( like not buying tv licenses etc).

It’s the trolly problem. Do you let the train run on and hit one trans person, or pull the lever and divert it into half the population?

Brilliant analogy.

I m also coming to the conclusion that there’s no such thing as transgender.

It is the only logical clear cut conclusion.

The mods just won't be under siege from reports, that's all. I guarantee if you post about another named known person like Lily Madigan in a certain way, it would vanish.

'White is a man. No such thing as trans. I am simply not buying it for a fucking minute longer'

Yet again, I'm with you RiverTam. Let's stop gaslighting ourselves and each other. This person is a man. I don't give a flying fig how they 'identify'. You're either a man or a woman. End of.

And yes, I've been wondering about the mods too. Maybe they're quietly rowing back on their recent position

They are squaring the circle by letting us call convicted men men. Other sorts we still have to call women. Jess Bradley appears to be the marginal case .... under investigation for indecent exposure but not yet charged or convicted. If that should ever happen they may magically change sex again in mods land.

Interesting that the mods have been very quiet on this thread. Presumably even they can’t accept White as a woman of any ilk. Shame it takes women being assaulting in women’s spaces for that to happen but I suppose one can’t have it all.

Knick nope, White is a man. No such thing as trans. I am simply not buying it for a fucking minute longer. I’m actually embarrassed at how long it’s taken me to come to this realisation but now I have I’m not deviating from it for a second.